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...yes?
I'm sorry, I'm not following the reasoning for your original comment that CAF mbrs would just continue to do their jobs then.
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I'm sorry, I'm not following the reasoning for your original comment that CAF mbrs would just continue to do their jobs then.
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The hilarious thing was, it was a long time before I had enough " T I " to bid for "prime time" ie: summer vacation.
Only way I could get away during summer was to take two weeks of city ( not federal ) taxpayer paid Military Leave every summer.
That meant me taking a bite out of a senior man's - who happened to be my partner - summer vacation.
Which led to the annual, "I can't take my kids to the effing cottage, because you want to go play soldier!"
Only way I could get away during summer was to take two weeks of city ( not federal ) taxpayer paid Military Leave every summer.
That meant me taking a bite out of a senior man's - who happened to be my partner - summer vacation.
Which led to the annual, "I can't take my kids to the effing cottage, because you want to go play soldier!"
Brad Sallows
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Poor attitudes by militant strikers are unhelpful.
Bargaining unit members on strike are looking after their interests, subject to their terms of employment.
Management, contractors, and other exempt employees not on strike are looking after their interests, subject to their terms of employment.
People not directly involved are looking after their interests according to whether they want the government to be spending more on its employees, on health care, on defence, or on any other particular priority.
None of these parties has a special moral advantage that permits it to obstruct or insult the others.
I've seen a couple of articles looking at "what other unionized workers got". That yardstick is biased. People ought to be measuring their demands relative to what all workers in Canada in similar occupations are getting right now (really ought to be regional, not Canada-wide comparisons). I doubt the comparisons will be as favourable as narrowing the scope to unions-only.
Bargaining unit members on strike are looking after their interests, subject to their terms of employment.
Management, contractors, and other exempt employees not on strike are looking after their interests, subject to their terms of employment.
People not directly involved are looking after their interests according to whether they want the government to be spending more on its employees, on health care, on defence, or on any other particular priority.
None of these parties has a special moral advantage that permits it to obstruct or insult the others.
I've seen a couple of articles looking at "what other unionized workers got". That yardstick is biased. People ought to be measuring their demands relative to what all workers in Canada in similar occupations are getting right now (really ought to be regional, not Canada-wide comparisons). I doubt the comparisons will be as favourable as narrowing the scope to unions-only.
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If anyone is ever curious what entrenched beuacracy and entitlement looks like I will point them to this reply.Don't like the rules? Don't join. That applies to any organization.
Or join, and "vote to have the rules changed".
My father's, and his father's, union was formed 8 May 1863.
The three emergency services unions in our town were formed on separate dates in 1917 and 1918.
Nothing new about seniority in unions.
Thanks for the scolding. We got a lot of that from the "I pay your salary" types.
As I have tried to explain, so many times, some things were based on the "Senior Qualified Process". Some were based on the "Relative Ability Process".
It's Internal. So, if you don't work there, you don't have make it your business to worry about about it.
Or, put in your application. Make it your business. Worry about it. "Vote to have the rules changed."
Good luck with that.
It is also good for anyone that thinks modern government unions have jumped the shark
I am a soldier so I am firmly in the tax payers pay my salary bracket.
I joined to serve and that is best done with the best troops not nessasarily the most senior ones.
I also respect the working public as a whole and you seem to hold them in some contempt.
Also a vote to change is elections and governmental policy
Still slim but much more democratic
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Second para of the post I replied to not clear enough?
He isn’t wrong though,
I’m not sure what jumping the shark has to do with it but I think I get your meaning.
I have a family member in the carpenter union. They determine who actually gets work based on a variety of factors including if they like you or not. Various other unions use seniority on who gets the better works shifts, OT etc. None of these are part of PSAC’s collective agreements.
Yes. The Public sector.
Agreed. Seniority is not a feature of our agreement. Nor should it be.
I didn’t get that from his comment. Employer/employee is a contract. People are free to take and accept the conditions or not accept them. The WFH policy is a red line for a lot of people depending on their classification. Not everyone but definitely some key ones. The ones we don’t want to lose.
Regardless of the next election results, cuts to the federal public sector is very likely.
Spencer100
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It a vote union. Lol they are operated with the same SOP as North Korea. Lol.
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Good advice. We understood, and accepted, the conditions of employment when we hired on.
Retired AF Guy
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"I live in the MSSR" ???
OldSolduer
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Quirky
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Getting spicy!
www.kingstonist.com
CFB Kingston issues ‘cease and desist’ letter to PSAC Regional President
(Kingston, Ontario) Ten days into the national Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) strike, Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Kingston has issued a “cease and desist letter” to the local union president, claiming those picketing have engaged in illegal activity.
www.kingstonist.com
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No big deal.....normal pushback. Had one of those myself.....Getting spicy!
CFB Kingston issues ‘cease and desist’ letter to PSAC Regional President
(Kingston, Ontario) Ten days into the national Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) strike, Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Kingston has issued a “cease and desist letter” to the local union president, claiming those picketing have engaged in illegal activity.
The reply…
www.kingstonist.com
Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall but you can get them gist of it.
PSAC East president calls base commander's letter 'meaningless' – Kingston News
(Kingston, Ontario) When East Region PSAC President, Christopher Snooks, was asked for his response to a recently received “cease and desist” letter, he cavalierly responded with a rhetorical question: “You mean that piece of paper I received that doesn’t mean anything?”
www.kingstonist.com
Unfortunately it’s behind a paywall but you can get them gist of it.
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Non-paywall version (not identical but shows the blockade), but I heard it's fake news anyways that picketers aren't following the rules and are being aggressive.Getting spicy!
CFB Kingston issues ‘cease and desist’ letter to PSAC Regional President
(Kingston, Ontario) Ten days into the national Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) strike, Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Kingston has issued a “cease and desist letter” to the local union president, claiming those picketing have engaged in illegal activity.
Quirky
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MJP
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Indeed, generally those "civilian" world folks don't have a pension plan, benefits and iron clad job security. The federal public service like most public services are much better off than most Canadians.
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But we also gave up ever becoming wealthy for it. Nothing comes for free. I know a lot of families who have one person in private and the other in a Public Service, the private person can make more, but with more volatility in their life, the PS job makes sure the bills get paid and food on the table.
