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Syria Superthread [merged]

From a personal perspective, the fact that Syria has been 95% "mumm" on the whole thing SCREAMS the loudest.
If this were a fertilizer plant or something, the Syrians woulda been screaming blue murder about the unjustified and unprovoked violence of the Zionist sw?&*.
 
Clearly you believe what you want to believe. A few pic's of the facility before and after the air strike.

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Compare the after strike photo to the sat photo on the right. The Syrians have scrubbed the site completely one might think that is odd in itself.

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But I'm sure you understand the problem, T6. After the Iraqi WMD intelligence fiasco no one needs to take US evidence seriously, no matter how clear it may be. And we can be sure that an immense crowd of the usual suspects will pooh-pooh it and an even larger crowd will, willingly, disbelieve - just because it's American.
 
Aye, there's the rub!
The boy who cried "wolf" one time too often...
 
Israel evidently had an agent at the facility and that agent supplied enough evidence for the IAF to launch a very daring raid deep into Syria. I dont think the raid would have been initiated if the target wasnt of strategic importance to Israel.

As for WMD every western intelligence agency felt that Iraq had WMD,it wasnt just a US claim.
 
Israel has agents in all places they believe they have a vested interest in knowing "what's going on"...
They reserve the right of carrying out preemptive strikes on anything / anywhere they believe threatens their present or future existence.

Also... Israel certainly provided tangible proof that the much vaunted Syrian air defence system acquired from Russia wasn't all that it was touted to be...... wonder how much Syria spent on the deal ???  Do you think they can get a refund ???
 
tomahawk6 said:
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As for WMD every western intelligence agency felt that Iraq had WMD,it wasnt just a US claim.

Very true but, as we all know, the truth is irrelevant in the propaganda wars.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Very true but, as we all know, the truth is irrelevant in the propaganda wars.

The truth is an inconvenience.....
 
Rodahn said:
While it may very well be a N Korean built/supported facility, I'm skeptical regarding the validity of the intelligence, given the past performance regarding "weapons of mass destruction".....

Regardless, these countries should never be allowed this technology.

WRT you being skeptical, if you found you had a tumour, would you rather leave it alone, and take the chance that it is NOT cancer, or would you have it removed anyways.

Its bad enough Pakistan and India have the bomb. Letting any of these other questionable islamic countries have the technology is equal to giving kids bic lighters in a dynamite factory.

My 2 cents.
 
From the Jeruselem Post:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1211872842227&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

US suspects Syria hiding nuclear facilities
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Although American efforts to defuse the nuclear crisis with Iran have yet to bear fruit, the Bush administration now appears to be focusing on yet another nuclear program which they believe is under secret development, this time in Syria.

In a report published by the Washington Post on Thursday, the US is said to be appealing to the United Nations to send inspectors to search for hidden nuclear facilities in the country. According to the report, the Bush administration suspects that Syria is hiding at least three sites, which they believe were intended to support a nuclear reactor which was destroyed in September.

On September 6, Israeli warplanes reportedly bombed a nuclear reactor deep in Syrian territory. Damascus has repeatedly denied ever having built a reactor, and soon after the bombing, bulldozed the area and erected buildings on top of the site. Israel has never formally admitted to carrying out the attack.

US intelligence suspects that at least three secret facilities may have been used to provide fuel for that nuclear reactor, the report states.

In a briefing to US congressmen earlier in the year, intelligence officials suggested that the Syrian reactor was nearly operational at the time that it was bombed. Yet no fuel source has ever been found for the reactor - a fact which has baffled experts. The suggestion that nuclear facilities still exist in the country and remain hidden potentially solves that problem.

US government officials declined to describe the specific sites that have drawn interest, or to discuss how they were identified, according to the Washington Post report.
 
I think what concerns the Pentagon is the possibility of centrifuges in at least one underground facility near Deir el-Hajjar.While a nuclear program is certainly worrisome and from an Iranian standpoint dispersing the nuclear program makes it harder to detect and easier to employ nuclear weapons from Syria against Israel than from Iran. Iranian missiles of various categories have been deployed in Lebanon,Syria and now Gaza. If a shooting war resumes Israel could face an onslaught of conventional missiles that would be hard to defend against and would require Israel to invade Gaza,Lebanon and Syria a tall order for the IDF. The Olmert government has to be forced from office if Israel is to really protect itself.He has to go down in Israel's history as their least effective PM.
 
Just saw this on the BBC site.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7692153.stm
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7692153.stm

US helicopter-borne troops have carried out a raid inside Syria along the Iraqi border, killing eight people including a woman, Syrian authorities say.

The official Syrian news agency Sana said the raid took place in the Abu Kamal border area, in eastern Syria.

It said that American soldiers on four helicopters had stormed a building under construction on Sunday night.

The US says it is investigating. It has previously accused Syria of allowing foreign militants into Iraq.

"Four American helicopters violated Syrian airspace around 16:45 local time (1345 GMT) on Sunday," state television and Sana news agency said.

It said that "American soldiers" who had emerged from helicopters "attacked a civilian building under construction and fired at workmen inside, causing eight deaths".

"The helicopters then left Syrian territory towards Iraqi territory," Sana said.

"We are in the process of investigating this," Sgt Brooke Murphy, a US military spokesman, told the AFP news agency in Baghdad.

The area is near the Iraqi border city of Qaim, which had been a major crossing point for fighters, weapons and money travelling into Iraq to fuel the Sunni insurgency.

Washington has accused Damascus of turning a blind eye to the problem.

 
US ammo only hits civilians, mainly women, children and old people as well as hospitals. Every world news agency and the spokesperson for the  "innocents" on the receiving end just cuts and pastes the date, time and location. The rest is SOP.
 
DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) - U.S. military helicopters launched an extremely rare attack Sunday on Syrian territory close to the border with Iraq, killing eight people in a strike the government in Damascus condemned as "serious aggression."
A U.S. military official said the raid by special forces targeted the foreign fighter network that travels through Syria into Iraq. The Americans have been unable to shut the network down in the area because Syria was out of the military's reach.

"We are taking matters into our own hands," the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of cross-border raids.

The attack came just days after the commander of U.S. forces in western Iraq said American troops were redoubling efforts to secure the Syrian border, which he called an "uncontrolled" gateway for fighters entering Iraq.

A Syrian government statement said the helicopters attacked the Sukkariyeh Farm near the town of Abu Kamal, five miles inside the Syrian border. Four helicopters attacked a civilian building under construction shortly before sundown and fired on workers inside, the statement said.

The government said civilians were among the dead, including four children.

A resident of the nearby village of Hwijeh said some of the helicopters landed and troops exited the aircraft and fired on a building. He said the aircraft flew along the Euphrates River into the area of farms and several brick factories. The witness spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information,

Syria's Foreign Ministry said it summoned the charges d'affaires of the United States and Iraq to protest against the strike.

"Syria condemns this aggression and holds the American forces responsible for this aggression and all its repercussions. Syria also calls on the Iraqi government to shoulder its responsibilities and launch and immediate investigation into this serious violation and prevent the use of Iraqi territory for aggression against Syria," the government statement said.

The area targeted is near the Iraqi border city of Qaim, which had been a major crossing point for fighters, weapons and money coming into Iraq to fuel the Sunni insurgency.

Iraqi travelers making their way home across the border reported hearing many explosions, said Farhan al-Mahalawi, mayor of Qaim.

On Thursday, U.S. Maj. Gen. John Kelly said Iraq's western borders with Saudi Arabia and Jordan were fairly tight as a result of good policing by security forces in those countries but that Syria was a "different story."

"The Syrian side is, I guess, uncontrolled by their side," Kelly said. "We still have a certain level of foreign fighter movement."

He added that the U.S. was helping construct a sand berm and ditches along the border.

"There hasn't been much, in the way of a physical barrier, along that border for years," Kelly said.

The foreign fighters network sends militants from North Africa and elsewhere in the Middle East to Syria, where elements of the Syrian military are in league with al-Qaida and loyalists of Saddam Hussein's Baath party, the U.S. military official said.

He said that while American forces have had considerable success, with Iraqi help, in shutting down the "rat lines" in Iraq, and with foreign government help in North Africa, the Syrian node has been out of reach.

"The one piece of the puzzle we have not been showing success on is the nexus in Syria," the official said.

The White House in August approved similar special forces raids from Afghanistan across the border of Pakistan to target al-Qaida and Taliban operatives. At least one has been carried out.

The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq has been cut to an estimated 20 a month, a senior U.S. military intelligence official told the Associated Press in July. That's a 50 percent decline from six months ago, and just a fifth of the estimated 100 foreign fighters who were infiltrating Iraq a year ago, according to the official.

Ninety percent of the foreign fighters enter through Syria, according to U.S. intelligence. Foreigners are some of the most deadly fighters in Iraq, trained in bomb-making and with small-arms expertise and more likely to be willing suicide bombers than Iraqis.

Foreign fighters toting cash have been al-Qaida in Iraq's chief source of income. They contributed more than 70 percent of operating budgets in one sector in Iraq, according to documents captured in September 2007 on the Syrian border. Most of the fighters were conveyed through professional smuggling networks, according to the report.

Iraqi insurgents seized Qaim in April 2005, forcing U.S. Marines to recapture the town the following month in heavy fighting. The area became secure only after Sunni tribes in Anbar turned against al-Qaida in late 2006 and joined forces with the Americans.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem accused the United States earlier this year of not giving his country the equipment needed to prevent foreign fighters from crossing into Iraq. He said Washington feared Syria could use such equipment against Israel.

Though Syria has long been viewed by the U.S. as a destabilizing country in the Middle East, in recent months, Damascus has been trying to change its image and end years of global seclusion.

Its president, Bashar Assad, has pursued indirect peace talks with Israel, mediated by Turkey, and says he wants direct talks next year. Syria also has agreed to establish diplomatic ties with Lebanon, a country it used to dominate both politically and militarily, and has worked harder at stemming the flow of militants into Iraq.

The U.S. military in Baghdad did not immediately respond to a request for comment after Sunday's raid.

 
It has now been confirmed that the special ops guys got their man. Abu Ghadiyain, Al Qaeda's senior coordinator operating in Syria now at room temp. :)
 
Abu Ghadiyain and Haji Omar Khan? Sweet!

Today is a good day. :)

EDIT

From http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/10/us_strike_in_syria_d.php

Al Qaeda leader Abu Ghadiya was killed in yesterday's strike inside Syria, a senior US military intelligence official told The Long War Journal. But US special operations forces also inflicted a major blow to al Qaeda's foreign fighter network based in Syria. The entire senior leadership of Ghadiya's network was also killed in the raid, the official stated.

Emphasis added.
 
Is no one else here worried about the horrible precedent set here by the USA?

It seems the USA is done with its covert operations and has gone straight through with aggressive style incursions into foreign countries. It seems like, with the Iraq war and continuing escalations, the USA is just finished with following international law and any international reconciliation.

And people wonder why events such as 9/11 happen, and why Iran and Syria are so antagonistic towards us. Continued unilateral actions as some omniscient international superpower does not create a better future for relations in the region whatsoever. It seems the concept of blowback was not learned through 9/11, was it?

Let's not also forget about the innocent civilians killed in this action. RIP to those killed, my condolences go out to their families.
 
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