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Teaching kids about money should become mandatory

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I have always thought we should teach recruits about personal money matters. This article does a good job of telling the story.

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/273650


Teaching kids about money should become mandatory

TheStar.com

Start with the basics of budgeting and cost accounting, the teach about interest and debt

November 04, 2007
David Cruise
Alison Griffiths
Special to the star

It's ironic, while the federal government trumpets record surpluses year after year, the citizens of this country sink further and further into debt without savings or investments to backstop them. (For a snapshot of just how far things have gone, see "How bad?" below.)

What can we do to avoid our nation becoming Planet Debt?

This is a vital question to us. Though we write primarily about investing, debt determines if an individual will save and invest. If we don't save and then invest, the economic fibre of our country weakens. So what to do? Start with the kids, in our view.

We should immediately establish a mandatory series of high school courses centred on money. After all what's the point of going out into the work force or on to college or university if you don't understand and can't manage your money.

Early on in the money curriculum students would keep a register of all their incomes and expenditures. What's important here is not the amount of money involved but how it is spent.

Kids will be amazed to discover simple facts like 70 per cent of their allowance or earnings goes to fast food or 50 per cent goes to comics or 30 per cent goes down their throat in the form of soft drinks. This leads into a discussion of budgeting which is the foundation of sound money management.

In these courses, students would open bank accounts and reconcile or balance those accounts with their bank statements each month. Reconciliation of accounts is an old fashioned, but important, skill that is rarely practiced.

Many, perhaps most, don't know what is in their bank accounts at any given time and debit cards have made this situation worse. Reconciling accounts forces you to be on top of your transactions. Part of the spending unit could also involve examining the repercussions of not keeping track – overdraft fees, for example.

A final project in the spending section of the course could be an analysis of students' spending patterns complete with conclusions and recommendations to themselves for the future.

Smart consumerism should be covered with an emphasis on comparison shopping, which is the single most powerful tool available to the consumer. Since most kids love to shop, this part of the curriculum offers a wealth of projects designed to teach pricing skills, savings skills and differentiating wants from needs.

In the more advanced grades, students would investigate credit in its myriad forms. With so many options and so many exotic and beguiling products available, young people need to learn how to use credit wisely and also to understand what happens when you get in over your head. Credit, of course, includes everything from credit cards and mortgages to credit lines and even overdrafts.

How car loans and leases work is important knowledge that will save young consumers thousands in interest costs if they make the right decisions. Even a simple task such as comparing interest payments on a no-money-down car purchase versus a 25-per-cent-down purchase shows them how to keep money in their own pockets.

Student loans and student lines of credit are another big problem area. Most students these days need them, especially if they have to leave home to attend university, but a lot of students have no idea what they've gotten into when they borrow to learn. The student loan system is the original buy-now-pay-later scheme.

A terrific project in this section of the course would be to have students figure out the cost of their desired post-secondary education; how much they need to save, how much their parents can help them with and what options exist for an education that isn't burdened by debt. For example, what would be the financial impact of working for a year before college or university?

The penultimate section of the course would be learning about what happens when things go wrong financially. The ugly side of poor financial management should include the tactics of collection agencies, car repossession, the impact of a bad credit rating and the long, dark road of bankruptcy.

The final section would be investments. Learning about equities, bonds and the miracle of compounding could easily be structured into a game. A project showing students how to become millionaires is sure to generate some interest.

So, how do we pay for the creation of such a far reaching program, you ask? We're sure a consortium of credit card companies is forming even now, as a result of this article, in order to fund a money curriculum.










 
A lot of this should be done by parents... but not all parents are very good at this themselves...
 
Baden  Guy said:
I have always thought we should teach recruits about personal money matters.

Agreed. The amount of new troops that have financial problems getting in or shortly after getting in is increasing.

It's not from them trying to pay off student loans either.

Poor management of their pay and extreme short sightedness on their part leaves them in a hole which is extremely difficult to climb out of. Nice to see that you have a $15,000 home theater...still eating KD for supper and having a hard time getting either formula or gas for the car. Even heard of guys using credit cards to pay off other credit cards!

I've actually lost count as to how many troops I've told to "Try a financial planner, like CCS in the maritimes" over the years.

http://www.solveyourdebts.com/

There are locations all across Canada that go by different names, the one I mentioned is the one a good friend of mine used and they're now debt free, albeit with a lower credit rating.

Hell, even the guys at SISIP will help out.

My 0.02 Tolars worth.

Regards
 
Here at Shearwater, the financial planners from SISIP are frequently asked to speak at PD days held on the base.  The PD days are designated no-fly days to ensure maximum attendance of Wing personnel.  I know a lot of the older folks with more TI like me have frequently said "I wish I'd known that when I was an OS/Pte", and the brass has listened.  Quite a few of my younger subordinates are active investors and got into the real estate market early, and it's good to see.

One of the other subjects of the PD days has been release/retirement benefits - which also seems to be received well.  The younger guys and gals are generally surprised how much they didn't know about those benefits.  It makes far more sense to be briefing people on subjects like that in their early years of their career, than to have it done as part of the SCAN process - when it's far too late to take advantage of the miracle of compound interest.
 
I actually had a full year of a class in Grade 12 that included financial planning, marriage, buying a house etc.  Unfortunately, at the time, the class was still called Home Ec, but the next year it was changed to Life Skills.  Great class.
 
I got my paper saying im smart in 2004. It wasnt in grade 12, but in grade 7 and 8 we looked at that sort of thing. We were given a job per say (a piece of paper saying what we did, income, day in the life of, etc. etc.) We had to budget based on that things like cost of living and such. One thing that I do remember from that was an actual insurance company gave us average quotes on cars from that year (like 1998 or 1999 Sunfires, Cavaliers, popular beginner cars-they didnt have any Trans Ams, or Hummers, or F-350 Super Duty things like that) and I can remember a lot of people working out the figures on the finance, insurance, and goin "Holy S***." As well in grade 8 we actually had a small course on the stock market and made fake profiles (still remember looking up my stocks and getting annoyed with my losses). Though it seemed in high school there was less budgetting and more calculating of loans and such (like simple intrest [I=PRT] and then the compound intrest formulas). Only sort of real world financial experience I got before I moved out on my own was my dad saying give me your whole pay cheque or find another place to live. Even though thats sort of the way it goes in real life.
 
I have always thought we should teach recruits about personal money matters. This article does a good job of telling the story.
Recruits and Officer candidates are taught about financial matters at CFLRS by SISIP staff.

From CFLRS Schedule:

BMQ & IAP Week 4:
PMA 4-7 EDO 104 Personal Finances
PMA 8 EDO 104 Pay And Allowances
PMA 9 EDO 104 SISIP Financial services

BOTP Week 3:
MK D-G Finance

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I can say that the classes offered were quite informative and useful, but considering the other subjects the platoon was busy focusing on, it was something many of us likely forgot. Refresher courses on financial management should definitely take place throughout one's career.
 
Jorkapp said:
Recruits and Officer candidates are taught about financial matters at CFLRS by SISIP staff. 

By then its too late, they've already established their spending and saving habits.  This type of education needs to start in the early years of high school.

 
This should be mandatory, but not for younger kids. Taking a course on money management/handling/etc should be mandatory for high-school..... but its not, so instead, I need to learn how to point a video camera in a certain direction and turn on REALLY bright lights if I want to graduate. ::)
 
uncle-midget-boyd said:
.. so instead, I need to learn how to point a video camera in a certain direction and turn on REALLY bright lights if I want to graduate. ::)

Sounds more like you plan on becoming a uhh.. 'film' star. 

Here's a question for everyone.  Some of these 'financial experts' advise people to invest in the stock market.  Who here has, or do you know someone who has, and did they actually do well with their investments?

 
Child's play: The Couch Potato Portfolio

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/my_money/investing/article.jsp?content=20060405_152254_1452

;D
 
Greymatters said:
Sounds more like you plan on becoming a uhh.. 'film' star. 

Here's a question for everyone.  Some of these 'financial experts' advise people to invest in the stock market.  Who here has, or do you know someone who has, and did they actually do well with their investments?

You can make money in the stock market, but only if you do it all your self, research the company(s), and keep looking for anything that could affect them, and try to stay on top (the only people who make it big do it full time ::)).


This came from my notes from a finance course I took

As for budgeting for kids, they should be looking at there bank balence at least weekly, the monthly reconciliation is kind of outdated, when you can look at your account on line any time any were.

There needs to be a course to show them how to spend; somewhere around the grade 10 level, so it is in there head for when they get a job.

just my 2 cents
 
Greymatters said:
Sounds more like you plan on becoming a uhh.. 'film' star. 

Sounds more like they plan onme becoming a 'film' star.

  But honestly, if the school board/dept/etc folks want to help high-school help the students with their lives after school, make classes that everybody is going to need in life mandatory -- or at least mandatory-er -- than courses designed for careers that a very small percentage of the students go into. Those are the courses that IMO should be optional.
  With computers being quite leterally everywheres now, I see no reason why I was forced to waste an entire course slot spent typing "a, s, d, f, l, k, j, h" when that is something that people can pick up easily on their own time. I could have spent that time in a course that was actually worth my time.
 
 
uncle-midget-boyd said:
Sounds more like they plan onme becoming a 'film' star.

   But honestly, if the school board/dept/etc folks want to help high-school help the students with their lives after school, make classes that everybody is going to need in life mandatory -- or at least mandatory-er -- than courses designed for careers that a very small percentage of the students go into. Those are the courses that IMO should be optional.
   With computers being quite leterally everywheres now, I see no reason why I was forced to waste an entire course slot spent typing "a, s, d, f, l, k, j, h" when that is something that people can pick up easily on their own time. I could have spent that time in a course that was actually worth my time.
   
Keyboarding should be taught in the elementary years.  That is a useful skill for high school and later on.  Was keyboarding mandatory for you, or did you choose an option that you regretted? 
 
Spanky said:
  Was keyboarding mandatory for you, or did you choose an option that you regretted? 

Keyboarding is a mandatory course for everybody in this school board if they want to graduate. The only thing that happened in the course the entire year was a book handed to us in the first week. The book needed to be re-typed onto the computer, and that file sent to the course teacher.
"a,s,d,f. Sad, Lad, Johnny gave Sally a cake......" Thats a decent sample of what the course was for the entire year.
 
uncle-midget-boyd said:
Keyboarding is a mandatory course for everybody in this school board if they want to graduate. The only thing that happened in the course the entire year was a book handed to us in the first week. The book needed to be re-typed onto the computer, and that file sent to the course teacher.
"a,s,d,f. Sad, Lad, Johnny gave Sally a cake......" Thats a decent sample of what the course was for the entire year.
That blows.  It should have been done in grade 4 or 5.  Teaching budgets, at least at the basic level should also be done earlier than high school.  There are many kids who receive allowances, bribes, etc in elementary school that could use lessons in money management.
 
For me we learned keyboarding in grade 9. In my school board I believe it was an optional course. The prerequisite ones were english, math, sciences, 1 french, 1 art, 1 phys. ed., 0.5 (half semester) civics and another 0.5 career planning (this mind you-you took in grade 10) and the rest electives. Funny thing though in the career planning course at 15 you know somewhat what you want and they make that the central emphasis around the course, and people change and so do career choices but at least they show you how to prepare and such.

What I think should be a mandatory course is cooking. Nothing fancy. No Gordon Ramsay approved dishes with decor and all. Just how to cook plain healthy good food. Seriously those who've gone through the system in the past 5 years or so can atest to this. When I was in school at lunch time the cafeteria used to have these huge gondolas full of shoe string fries, pots of gravy, and crap loads of grated cheese. You could get a poutine for $1.50. Anything healthy AS I REMEMBER was always about 3 to 4 bucks. I went to school in T.O. Around the Jane Finch area (not exactly there but somewhat south of) and remember students who lived in the cheap apartments in the bad neighbourhoods buying up these boat loads of fries everyday. Not making a knock at them as kids who could afford anything bought the poutine too but c'mon. Thats no way to live. For the parents who are out there working nights, or two jobs or dual income families (as lets face it the days of mom staying home and cooking pies and roasts while dad works at the office died with Leave it to Beaver). Lets teach them how to make pasta sauces and soups and chillis and such. Teach them how to make food that isnt fat drizzled with fat and fat sprinkled on top. They're saying that now parents might out live their kids? When something healthy like Pita pit or Subway costs almost 10 bucks and McDonalds wants like a buck something for a burger shouldn't we be giving our kids some more knowledge like yeah they teach nutrition in phys ed. Meanwhile i'll go to get my license by sitting in class and never getting in a car. See my point? Boils my @$$ that only at 20 did I learn how to cook a chicken and potato dinner or anything else with somewhat more complexity.

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Rayman said:
... lets face it the days of mom staying home and cooking pies and roasts while dad works at the office died with Leave it to Beaver...

A lot of that can be traced to lifestyle choices and the area you want to live in.  If you live in out of the way places like Cold Lake, Wainwright, Gagetown, Comox, etc., you dont really need to have your wife work if you manage your money right, but she would definately have to work if you have to have all the new shiny toys and take a lot of expensive vacations. 

Those who work in expensive living areas, i.e. Ottawa, Esquimalt, etc., well, a lot of tough choices there.  Even with the best money management skills, proximity to your workplace (in expensive housing areas) may not allow for a good lifetstyle/money management blend.
 
Agreed some areas are pricier than others. The same apartment in T.O. that costs 750 costs like 500 a month (or less) in Peterborough. The point though is that kids should learn to cook at a age where they are responsible enough to learn how to do so. A good way to do this I figure is right in school. Secondly a trend ive noticed now with most people of my age (Gen Y FTR) seem to think both parents should work and there should be dual income. So while it may not be nessecary for both to work, they do it to afford a good lifestyle. As well for those who wanted to be the "Trophy Wife" well I dont know any that are living that golden life right now.
 
I wouldnt think of all wives as trophy wives.  Some have degrees or diplomas or masters, and when living in small communities it is not always easy to find a job that matches you talents.  For example, when the PPCLI moved out of Winnipeg, a lot of wives had high-paying jobs at banks and other institutions that they could never find in a place like Gagetown, or would have to compete with local people who are already in the system.  Yes they can find lower-paying work, but its a blow to personal dignity - many will get told they are 'over-qualified', or think "I got a friggin degree in Computer Science and the best I can find is working the counter at the local deli?"

 
 
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