The Art & Science of buying 500 tanks without any money

[Michael OLeary]

Ok.....then what ?

Where is the extra money comming from ?

How are you going to convince Joe Six-pack waiting for 4 hours in an emergency room that the military should get more money ?

Come on, it's quite simple:

Conscription
Food rationing
Nationalization of, well, everything

It's been "working" in North Korea for decades, we can make it work here to satisfy Braveheart, can't we?

 

[guns_and_roses]

Come on, it's quite simple:

Conscription
Food rationing
Nationalization of, well, everything

It's been "working" in North Korea for decades, we can make it work here to satisfy Braveheart, can't we?

This is the attitude of our politicians, it people like you guys who make or military moneyless.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Is there a feeding frenzy icon?

 

[McG]

Because without the military there wouldn't even be a Joe six pack. Also the NATO average is more then what we spend now .. .

But how do you convince the electorate of this?  Don't forget all the much higher prioreties that they will have to pay for first.

... or do you suggest we buy the 500 tanks before standing up a ninja battalion & an airmobile mechanized division?!

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

I dont see how 100 tanks can protect the second largest country in the world!! Should of bought at least 500  Leopard 2A6M CAN

Do your Mom and Dad know you sneak in and use their computer to post this stuff?? :

 

[aesop081]

Because without the military there wouldn't even be a Joe six pack.

Last federal election i watched on TV while a series of people on the street explained what was their spending priorities for the government.

The answers were exactly what i expected: Helth care, crime prevention, national daycare, social programs, etc...

But the one answer i did not expect ( and i'm serious, this guy said this) was " the government should Twin the TC highway cross country"

Do you honestly think that the average Canadian public gives 2 cents about your above comment ?

 

[Michael OLeary]

This is the attitude of our politicians, it people like you guys who make or military moneyless.

Braveheart, what was the name of the last non-fiction, non-manga book you read about the Canadian military or political process?

 

[aesop081]

it people like you guys who make or military moneyless.

Its people like us who put our lives on the line daily so you can come here at night and make an ass of yourself so watch your mouth.

 

[guns_and_roses]

I read Who killed The Canadian Military.

 

[aesop081]

I read Who killed The Canadian Military.

Well why didnt you say so earlier ?

You're an expert, sorry i didnt know.

:-\

 

[Michael OLeary]

I read Who killed The Canadian Military.

OK, so you know a little bit about the decreases in our military.  And now you want to offer simple one-liner solutions.

Why don't you start with a detailed threat assessment that lays out WHY we should have a larger military, what it should be prepared to do or protect Canada from and what resources it will take to create it.  Then go on to develop how much it will cost for the toys (tanks, etc.) you think we should have, plus all of the supporting infrastructure that requires (bases, support staff, training establishments, etc.).  Then develop the plan for the politicians to convince the public the threat is real and the expense is both necessary and affordable.  Then figure out where the people come from for this plan of yours.

Get that far, and then we can discuss the realistic credibility of your proposal beyond "Tanks are Good, Lots of Tanks would be Better."

We live in the real world, please try and join us there when you are ready.

 

[guns_and_roses]

Well I think if Harper would read the book....

 

[aesop081]

Well I think if Harper would read the book....

Are you going to answer Micheal's points or not ?

 

[McG]

Well I think if Harper would read the book....

... he might recognize that doctrine is something fundamentally more intricate than quantity.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Well I think if Harper would read the book....

Great idea, have you written to your Member of Parliament to suggest this?

 

[Sub_Guy]

But the one answer i did not expect ( and i'm serious, this guy said this) was " the government should Twin the TC highway cross country"

It should be twinned!  Driving highway 17 across Northern Ontario, eats ass.......   


I've read "The Spy VS Spy Chronicles" I am more than ready for my covert ops.....  I shouldn't say read, I mean they don't really talk to each other, its just pictures. 


The last thing we need is 500 tanks...  Now if we could get hooked up with some Ninjas, that would be something else!    :

 

[guns_and_roses]

OK, so you know a little bit about the decreases in our military.  And now you want to offer simple one-liner solutions.

Why don't you start with a detailed threat assessment that lays out WHY we should have a larger military, what it should be prepared to do or protect Canada from and what resources it will take to create it.  Then go on to develop how much it will cost for the toys (tanks, etc.) you think we should have, plus all of the supporting infrastructure that requires (bases, support staff, training establishments, etc.).  Then develop the plan for the politicians to convince the public the threat is real and the expense is both necessary and affordable.  Then figure out where the people come from for this plan of yours.

Get that far, and then we can discuss the realistic credibility of your proposal beyond "Tanks are Good, Lots of Tanks would be Better."

We live in the real world, please try and join us there when you are ready.

I'll admit i don't know, but since you have more knowledge then me(not being a smart a$$ as you do know more) explain to me why are military is fine the way it is, and to the people who say we don't need more tanks do the same, explain to me why I'm wrong?

 

[McG]

explain to me why I'm wrong

You're wasting our time with the suggestion that we need them.  Why don't you humour us with a reason?

 

[Michael OLeary]

I'll admit i don't know, but since you have more knowledge then me(not being a smart a$$ as you do know more) explain to me why are military is fine the way it is, and to the people who say we don't need more tanks do the same, explain to me why I'm wrong?

Military spending, like all publicly funded activities, all have to function in a fine balance of costs versus priorities.  Politicians and political parties have to develop plans and programs that balance the many personal interests of their constituents with the affordable levels made possible by acceptable taxation.  When there is a credible and real threat to the nation's security, we have to rely on the Government to react with realistic increases to the military.  Would we all like to see a stronger military - yes.  Would all Canadian citizens - no, not necessarily.  Ultimately, it depends on what "Joe Six-pack" and his many friends, in all walks of life, are willing to accept.  Political parties who want to aggressively militarize the nation will not be elected, go figure.  As Canadian soldiers, sailors and airmen/women have always done, we will do our best to complete assigned missions with the resources and funding we receive.  We will be happy when increases come, but we will continue to support the Government which represents the people of our nation (even when it doesn't exactly match our personal preferences for equipment choices and manning levels).

 

[guns_and_roses]

To defend Canadians intrests home and abroad. Tanks are important as seen in Iraq. We should at least equipt all 3 armour regiments with tanks.