The Cdn. Military Police - Time - Date - Place - I Was - I Saw - I Did

[FastEddy]

It brings to mind the greeting we got at CFSAL a couple summers back;

"Welcome to Borden -

Nice to hear from you Micheal.

"CFSAL"

I must apologize for being out of touch with the AFs and all of the new Abbreviations. So therefore I'm not quite sure what to read  into your quote, Anecdote or something else ?.

By the way I have just viewed your  Web Site, VERY WELL DONE and most informative. I recommend that our
Readers check it out.

 

[FastEddy]

Now how in the world did the Provost escape his assailants or did he ???.


Welcome again, Kirkpatrick and Casing.

In your last quotes you suggested a number of possible actions which were quite on the mark, well thought!.

However no matter what amount of reasoning, logic or threatening was having any effect on the two assailants.

Example:    If they carried out their intent, they would   be eventually charged and receive at least 30 days in a "PROVOST" Detention Barracks (and considering the nature of their offense) they would be most welcome guests. That thought alone should have sobered any-body up.

Example:   In short, Forgive, Forget and go Home & Sleep it Off.

Example:   He ordered the two Feinting Sleep Pte.s to awaken   and fall in as Escorts as he was placing the principle assailant under Closed Arrest. This seemed to cause a great deal of snickers and the covers to be drawn over their heads.

The Provost then hit on the idea to appeal to their Bravado and Masculinity in that, "You #*&#^C@ are pretty brave when theres two   or maybe four of you against one. But if there were two of us we would have your ass in the can so fast it would make your head spin and maybe a few broken heads in the bargain.

Well that sure did it. Go get your %^#@*+# pal we'll be right here waiting.

You'll never imagined what happen next ?? any guesses? (part 3 next)

 

[stukirkpatrick]

I'd say that the other L/Cpl came... with the two RCE Sgts as well. 

They could invite two RCR sgts to even up the balance, but the Ptes would (er, should) know the ultimate danger of involving their own superiors.

My dollar minus 98 cents.

 

[casing]

I'm guessing that he did go get the other L/Cpl, returned and proceeded to give the two brutes a thrashing with the aid of their clubs.  No Sgts.  Just lesson teaching time.

 

[FastEddy]

I'm guessing that he did go get the other L/Cpl, returned and proceeded to give the two brutes a thrashing with the aid of their clubs.   No Sgts.   Just lesson teaching time.

Well both you Chaps are in the Ball Park, but remember what you would like to do useally isn't what you should or can do.

As I've previously mentioned, I'm not up to date on the AF.s (in this case MP Equipment), but from 1950 to 1960. I never saw or was issued with a Night Stick (God knows they sure would have come in handy some times). All we had on Town or Camp Patrol was our White Web and the QR&R.s
Our personal Weapon was the 9mm Stengun. (only issued on maneuvers or in combat Areas). Our side arm was the 9mm Browning Pistol (only issued for High Security Escorts,Guard Duty,Cermonial or in combat Areas).
Maybe MP811 could tell us when all that changed.

Well the other Provost L/Cpl was not at home that night (remember it was a Cruise Ship) and the two RCE Sgt.s were not informed of the events.

The Draft Offr.i/c (a Lieutenant) ,OO (a WOII) & O/Sgt were all awoken and informed of the events and that he wished an Escort Party to place the Drunken Soldiers under Closed Arrest and confine them in the Ships Brig. That Offense Reports would be submitted to substantiate charges.

Well, What do think should have happened next ? or take a guess at what was the outcome.

 

[Scratch_043]

... the two privates realized that they were deep into the $hit, and promptly apologized and dusted off the provost?? (just like in the cartoons)

BTW, I'm being sarcastic

 

[casing]

I think that the officer and NCOs were something royally pissed at being woken up for such a cockeyed reason and would have told the Provost to grow some brass ones.   Why would all three need to be woken up for this?   Why not just one of them?

However, since it's regulations and it was a Provost that wants the two arrested, I imagine that they provided the escort.

 

[FastEddy]

I think that the officer and NCOs were something royally pissed at being woken up for such a cockeyed reason and would have told the Provost to grow some brass ones.   Why would all three need to be woken up for this?   Why not just one of them.

I can assure you that the MP & Law Enforcement Officers have all the Brass you can imagine and then some, considering they walk in harmsway every minute on and apparently off Duty.

The WOII was awoken first who had the Provost find the O.S and he would get the Offr.i/c Draft as he felt he should be notified.

After discussing the incident the Lieutenant sent the O.O & O.S off some-where.

The Lieutenant then informed the Provost, "That he was of the opinion, that the matter should not proceed any farther." After all the two Lads had a bit too much to drink and would feel foolish in the morning."He also felt that the two Pte.s really didn't mean the Provost any great harm."And that everyone should try and get along and enjoy the rest of the voyage."Also it might annoy the Cruise Line."

The LT then contacted the Ships Purser and had the Provost assigned to a undisclosed sgl.Cabin and told him it might be best if he made him-self scarce for the next few days.

Sober,repentant or feeling stupid, I guess not. at every opportunity the two principles and their buddies on seeing the Provost, would jeer & draw their fore-finger across their throats and laugh.

On his return the Provost un-officially reported the incident to his O.C. and requested his thoughts on the matter. If we were to pursue this matter futher we would have to report and charge more than just the principles and where ever they are across Canada. Its a bitter pill to swallow, chalk it up to   experience. And to have done your Duty & being a 100% right can be enough.

Don't worry Lads this is not a Sympathy grabber, just ten days in the life of a MP.

The RSM at the Provost Corps School in Borden, once said " If your looking for SYMPATHY You'll find it in the Dictionary between   SHIT & SYPHILIS.  

 

[casing]

I can assure you that the MP & Law Enforcement Officers have all the Brass you can imagine and then some, considering they walk in harmsway every minute on and apparently off Duty.

Don't doubt that!   I'm a little confused though (some of the acronyms are unclear to me), the officer and NCOs that were woken up weren't members of the Provost Corps (correct term?), were they?   That's why I think the LT would have told the Provost to grow some brass ones.   Too bad the other Provost was out, the two of them could have gotten together and had a good rough up with the two Pvts behind closed doors.

I'm not at all surprised that the incident was shrugged off by the LT.   The resulting treatment of the Provost is unfortunate.   It's that sort of thing that could turn the Provost bitter for any future incidents.   This whole thing sounds like one of those school yard bullying incidents. Also, I think that the way the incident was handled by the LT just made things worse and served as encouragement to the two Pvts for future traipses.

 

[FastEddy]

Well Done Casing.

I've omitted the Units or Corps of other characters in this incident as not to apply a possible inference as the INFANTEER   correctly pointed out.

The two L/Cpl.s were the only two "Canadian Provost Corps" members on the Draft.

You've hit the mark on every point & ramification except, your insistance of Brass Ones and that the Provost should have engaged in a free-for-all as a solution. If they had, you and the public might put a whole different spin on this incident.

 

[canadianblue]

I have a question about the Military Police, I'm 17 years old, and am in my last year of high school. I am applying to the Grant Macewan Police Studies program, as well as the University of Regina Police Studies program. I am going to go and see a recruiter as soon as Christmas break is over and try to get as much information as possible. Well I guess I've got a few questions

What is the training like at St Jean for MP's, basically are their any different arrangement for MP's, is the training in any way, shape or form different?

What type of physical fitness training is done at Borden, and more specifically what exercises preformed?

Is their a probationary period for new Military Police Corporals?

If possible can a Military Police Corporal stay in Canada for most of their service?

What seperate specialized units are their within the Military Police?

Is their any possible way to bypass the 10 week course at St Jean, by perhaps joining a regular infantry or MP reserve force during two to three years of college?

Finally, currently I am doing 4-5 sets of 35 pushups, and 4-5 sets of 40 situps [done with feet held down, and arms crossed across chest] as well as running 4-7 miles three times a week, is this adequate physcial fitness preparation for a career within the military police?

Thanks for the help and responses.

 

[garb811]

What is the training like at St Jean for MP's, basically are their any different arrangement for MP's, is the training in any way, shape or form different?

No. The course is the same for all trades, you will have a variety of different trades in your Pl, not just MP.

What type of physical fitness training is done at Borden, and more specifically what exercises preformed?

It varies.   Could be a morning run, could be circuit training, could be handball...   You will do a specific series of classes which teach you arrest and restraint techniques which will be physical in nature but are over and above PT.

Is their a probationary period for new Military Police Corporals?

No probationary period, there is however a "provisional emplioyment period" which lasts one year.

If possible can a Military Police Corporal stay in Canada for most of their service?

Not sure what you mean by this but...sure, I know people who haven't gone on tour, however expect to do so as MP go on all Missions which are more than a handful of pers.

What seperate specialized units are their within the Military Police?

Specialized employment includes other positions at the Guardhouse such as Security Survery (Physical and IS), Criminal Investigations, Court Liaison, Training NCO, Security Investigations etc.   Outside the Guardhouse there is the National Investigative Service (NIS), National Counter-Intelligence Unit (NCIU), Military Security Guard Unit (MSGU), Custodian at the Canadian Forces Service Prison and Detention Barracks, VIP Aircraft Security,   Mission Specific Aircraft Security, Close Protection Team is just standing up, Criminal Intelligence, field employment with the Army (MP Pl, Sheriff at a unit), secondments to other Police Agencies, Regular Force Cadre with the Militia MP Coys...

Is their any possible way to bypass the 10 week course at St Jean, by perhaps joining a regular infantry or MP reserve force during two to three years of college?

Anything is possible but...   The only MP I know who have bypassed recruit training are those who re-enrolled.   Your recruiter will be able to tell you the current policy but 3 years down the road, who knows?

Finally, currently I am doing 4-5 sets of 35 pushups, and 4-5 sets of 40 situps [done with feet held down, and arms crossed across chest] as well as running 4-7 miles three times a week, is this adequate physcial fitness preparation for a career within the military police?

You should consider adding chin-ups (over and under hand), plus exercises for your back and legs and a weight programme as well, if possible.