The Emerging CAF Deep Sense-Strike Complex

[Underway]

Not sure if people have recognized the emerging strategy behind CAF acquisitions that focus on long range sense and strike.

Sensors. AEWC, OTHR, CDSEA, DESSP

Shooters. Eventually we'll have HIMARS with PrSM, RCD with TLAM, F-35s with JASSMs.

By say 2036, the CAF will have a multi-domain deep sense and strike complex with the ability to acquire targets and prosecute them at substantial ranges (easily greater than 300 km).

Something to consider for discussion.

Satellite Based Moving Target Indicators, other space based assets.

Naval Strike Missile can hit land targets.

If we get Korean submarines then you can potentially add Hyunmoo 4-4 Ballistic missiles (500+km range). The Germans are offering torp tube launched NSM.

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Software is weird. Systems like the Canadian Artillery system are quite good (Ukraine had some recommendations on how to improve it but generally they thought it was good), CMS 330 for the frigates is excellent and always being improved.

DRDC invented a flight deck management system + software that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world for a strictly Canadian problem. It works well enough.

Current shipboard ASW processing (again developed by DRDC) is friggin amazing.

OSI bridge management system is world recognized.

But most of these are cases where we either develop our own system internally to deal with a specific issue (DRNC involvement) or we go to an already recognized industrial leader to give us what they have (OSI).

I have been unimpressed with quite a few software systems that were offered... particularly Adobe!

 

[ytz]

I trust Palantir about as far as I can throw them, while covering them with a weapon…

While I think they have a good edge in certain fields, they are a data aggregator, and will take everything they can get.

Fair enough. There's a vigorous debate at CJOC and a few other headshops on Maven right now. I'm in the pro-Maven camp because I'm sick of endless debate. But I can see merits in getting something else.

 

[ytz]

Satellite Based Moving Target Indicators, other space based assets.

Naval Strike Missile can hit land targets.

If we get Korean submarines then you can potentially add Hyunmoo 4-4 Ballistic missiles (500+km range). The Germans are offering torp tube launched NSM.

There's one challenge here. A lot of this didn't start out with a coherent strategy. A bunch of disparate projects just happened to be coalescing to a more coherent capability stuff doctrine. I do wish there was actual discussion and thought on the doctrine so that the pieces could be made to fit together.

A bunch of staff weanies at the Maj/LCOL shouldn't be trying to make their projects fit by Teams chats, mess beers and PowerPoint. Maybe I'm too idealistic.....

 

[Furniture]

There's one challenge here. A lot of this didn't start out with a coherent strategy. A bunch of disparate projects just happened to be coalescing to a more coherent capability stuff doctrine. I do wish there was actual discussion and thought on the doctrine so that the pieces could be made to fit together.

A bunch of staff weanies at the Maj/LCOL shouldn't be trying to make their projects fit by Teams chats, mess beers and PowerPoint. Maybe I'm too idealistic.....

My understanding is there a plan to develop a plan... I'm not sure how much more can be said at this stage on these means.

 

[markppcli]

Satellite Based Moving Target Indicators, other space based assets.

Naval Strike Missile can hit land targets.

If we get Korean submarines then you can potentially add Hyunmoo 4-4 Ballistic missiles (500+km range). The Germans are offering torp tube launched NSM.

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Software is weird. Systems like the Canadian Artillery system are quite good (Ukraine had some recommendations on how to improve it but generally they thought it was good), CMS 330 for the frigates is excellent and always being improved.

DRDC invented a flight deck management system + software that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world for a strictly Canadian problem. It works well enough.

Current shipboard ASW processing (again developed by DRDC) is friggin amazing.

OSI bridge management system is world recognized.

But most of these are cases where we either develop our own system internally to deal with a specific issue (DRNC involvement) or we go to an already recognized industrial leader to give us what they have (OSI).

I have been unimpressed with quite a few software systems that were offered... particularly Adobe!

Someone called fates good?

 

[Kirkhill]

Now if only we can build the software and data integration to go with all that capability.....

Can you integrate the organizations?

 

[ytz]

Can you integrate the organizations?

Can and should.

 

[ytz]

My understanding is there a plan to develop a plan... I'm not sure how much more can be said at this stage on these means.

I hope so. I'm waiting to see what CFD 2.0 at JFC can do.

 

[Kirkhill]

Can and should.

I wish you well.

 

[Ludoc]

My understanding is there a plan to develop a plan... I'm not sure how much more can be said at this stage on these means.

So, concepts of a plan?

 

[ytz]

My understanding is there a plan to develop a plan... I'm not sure how much more can be said at this stage on these means.

Few months back I sat in on a navy working group for Recognized Maritime Picture. I was really surprised to learn there is no navy equivalent of the CAOC. A lot of the discussion too really seemed to be regurgitating what the RCAF solved a long time ago. I left a note with organizer that they should just take a notebook and some TD to Winnipeg. Cut their work in half....

I'm always kinda surprised how little we learn from each other.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Someone called fates good?

Perhaps it's better than other stuff out there?