And everybody who comes back from a NORAD/NATO posting tends to ask why we don't have this at home.
The Emerging CAF Deep Sense-Strike Complex
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And everybody who comes back from a NORAD/NATO posting tends to ask why we don't have this at home.
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But we will have a chunk of this in 10-15 years. The CAF will literally have its own radar surveillance satellites with global coverage. Think of the amount of data that will generate. And that's just one sensor coming online.
We actually need to start thinking like a bigger military. Because the CAF in 2040 will be unrecognizable and incomprehensible to basically anybody who has served till now.
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"Harpoon", come to life.
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Isn't that part of the reason for "fighting from the MOC" as the USN says? The forward commanders don't need every piece of data from around the globe, they need tailored data, while the "MOC" deals with the bigger picture and all of the data.
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The US has bearers that can provide 1080p from helmet cams in a cave in Syria to the situation room. They can fight from the US because they have hundreds of billions in dedicated global bandwidth. We have systems that would barely be considered high speed internet but want the same AI data resources. Its not realistic and that expectation is killing the signalers trying to do the best they can with 1990s tech.
What does a fix to that look like? The problem won’t go away and will only keep getting worse… Can a big dent be made by throwing money at this?
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So what is the solution? Complaining isn't solving things, so what is being done by the signals folks to fix the problem?
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Ultimately, yeah it'll take money. Lots of money. Each A Veh in CA needs about $350K USD worth of radios and a communications suite (replacement of ELAN). Multiply that by a thousand or vehicles, add in installation costs and project management fees and we're pretty dang close to $1B CAD. Now add in 10,000+ dismounted manpack radios at $100K USD each, likely same number of handheld radios, masts, radio static kits, crypto devices, programming laptops and to kit out CA for just TACCIS (Bde and below tactical comms) and we're in the $5B to $7B CAD range. That doesn't include service fees for internet bearers like buying into Starshield and Amazon LEO, it's just straight hardware. Some of this stuff is being replaced in a piecemeal fashion sometime in the 2030s and industry also has an issue to build equipment at the scale and speed we need to catch up. Only so many clean rooms exist to build secure supply chain electronics.
Our biggest issue? CA leadership with ADD trying to buy and integrate new shiny stuff on the frame of a rusted out Pinto without looping in CA G6 from project outset. We have 30 years of technical debt and are no were close to being able to integrate HIMARS, SHORAD, MRR and even woefully underfunded what turned into an amazing piece of kit in ISSP. We've been beaten and whipped for so long to just "make it happen" with table scraps as the headline grabbing toys like tanks and LAVs. We honestly need to burn it all down and have a comms whitepaper both from a CA and JFC level that says exactly how we want to communicate (waveforms, data protocols, clearly defined classification of networks/traffic) so that ADM(Mat) and DLCSPM cannot go on breakaways creating one-off gear that's so complex it needs engineers to maintain it.
Comms cannot be an afterthought anymore, it needs to be part of the discussion right from the mission analysis/project definition phase.
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I'm sorry but I don't get how Ukraine, a country with no weapons and no money is managing to create exactly the information network being discussed here in months, not decades, using commercially available tools.
Are we letting security concerns get in the way?
Isn't it important to see the picture ourselves before worrying about whether or not the enemy sees it?
A chess board is seen by both players. Games are still won and lost.
Are we letting security concerns get in the way?
Isn't it important to see the picture ourselves before worrying about whether or not the enemy sees it?
A chess board is seen by both players. Games are still won and lost.
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Our security folks are scared of the internet and cell phones. Ukraine is running their entire war against a high level cyber actor using AES256 encryption and homebrew apps. That would never be allowed in Canada.
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Is that a problem for us?
Should we be looking at getting the job done before we worry about securing the site?
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Thinking about that .... how very Canadian.
Rules and regulations written against the precautionary principle and fear of what might happen.
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Well if you're too lax on security you let the enemy see all the traffic you're sending. Its a delicate balance that unfortunately has been tipped too far into the favour of those who are allergic to risk.
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Seen. I get the balance but ....as you suggest, if it is tipped it is not in balance which means a whole lot of lost opportunity.
In part isn't this what the US is bumping up against with its Jailbreaking Hackathons, Replicator programmes and long term contracts that permit continuous modification?
Not just breaking stovepipes but eliminating them altogether. The essence of pan/multi-domain jointery.
Oh I have an idea. It's adjacent to the project I'm working on. That's why the TS Cloud and Int Enterprise reforms are so important to me personally. Waiting to see what happens with the changes at CFJIIC coming up.
And not just me. It's been a theme on several PD courses I've done over the last 5 years. Everybody recognizes that this has to change.
To a point. But in a world where an enemy can send hate your way from 500 km, your AOI goes up substantially. What commanders will need is a cloud that collects, filters and delivers tailored product in a timely manner.
There's money being thrown at these problems. Starting with the multiple cloud projects.
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Unless you're CELE, why are you coming up with enterprise data lake and networking solutions? I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night but doesn't make me qualified to pick submarines for RCN.
Beat of luck with TS Cloud. DIM SECUR is scared of NATO RESTRICTED cloud services.
Beat of luck with TS Cloud. DIM SECUR is scared of NATO RESTRICTED cloud services.
