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The Govt. Is Spying On Me -Article

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milnews.ca said:
You know, there are folks out there who want agencies to have all kinds of unlimited powers to get "those people", but it really starts to suck when you end up becoming one of "those people", especially by mistake.  Then it's not so great that you have no protection under the law.

Would YOU be willing to go to jail indefinitely because an outside-the-law intelligence agency mistakenly thought you were a threat?  If you're not willing to "be that mistake" which could happen for the good of the system you suggest, maybe you shouldn't be recommending a system where others may end up in the same spot.

It seems that social workers are now a threat to national security. Has it gone too far yet?

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/06/21/the_government_spied_on_me_without_a_warrant.html


"The government spied on me without a warrant
How an aboriginal advocate become the target of government snooping.

Cindy Blackstock writes that she felt "stunned and afraid" upon learning the extent of the government's spying on her private communications.
By: Cindy Blackstock Published on Sat Jun 21 2014

Earlier this month Canadians joined with the international community to honour the sacrifice made by Second World War veterans to preserve our freedom. At the same time, headlines in Canadian newspapers warned of government surveillance of citizens engaged in peaceful protests. It made me wonder — why would we allow our own government to trample on the freedoms that many Canadians died protecting?

Until it happened to me I thought domestic government surveillance could only be carried out with a warrant. In my case there was no warrant and yet in 2011, I received hundreds of pages of government documents revealing that 189 federal government officials from the departments of Justice and Aboriginal Affairs were routinely spying on my personal Facebook page, collecting information about my family, friends and me, and distributing it to other government officials.

They even collected Facebook addresses of other users and circulated postings made by children, without the consent of their parents. My domestic and international movements were monitored and my personal and private government records were accessed. Government email correspondence suggested the surveillance was undertaken to try to prove I had “other motives” for filing a historic human rights case in 2007 alleging the federal government’s provision of First Nations child welfare was discriminatory.

I was stunned and afraid — it felt like I was being stalked. I remember thinking this cannot possibly be legal, but I had no idea where to file a report about the Canadian departments of Justice and Aboriginal Affairs, and what would happen to me and the people I cared about if I did report it?

Amidst the fear and confusion I thought that if this was happening to me — a law-abiding social worker who does not even have a parking ticket — then how many other Canadians are subject to government surveillance and what does it mean for our freedom? In fact I had good reason to believe others were affected, as the Department of Aboriginal Affairs had a form for bureaucrats to access restricted websites.

As a taxpayer I was equally appalled — why was the government wasting all this money following me around while cutting services to Canadians? I decided to share the government documents with the media. Some people say I was courageous but I was simply less afraid of standing up for freedom than of living without it.

The privacy commissioner found the federal government’s access of my personal Facebook page violated the Privacy Act and the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal is currently deliberating on whether the government’s conduct amounts to retaliation under the Canadian Human Rights Act. Meanwhile, three United Nations Special Rapporteurs are conducting an inquiry to determine if Canada is meeting its international human rights obligations to respect and protect human rights defenders, freedom of association and Indigenous peoples.

The minister of Aboriginal Affairs has repeatedly stated in Parliament that he takes the “privacy of Canadians seriously” and agrees with the recommendations made by the privacy commissioner regarding my situation. However, the government has consistently refused to sign legal undertakings providing assurances that they have fully implemented the privacy commissioner’s recommendations and are no longer accessing my personal Facebook page. The bottom line is that I have no reasonable assurance that the surveillance is not continuing.

Some say that people with nothing to hide should not be afraid of government surveillance. I believe that governments with nothing to hide should not be spying on citizens without a court order. It should frighten us all when our own government takes away the freedoms that our veterans fought so hard for us to enjoy.

Tens of thousands of people are working to put a stop to this freedom giveaway and ensure we protect the privacy of every Canadian. You can learn more about how you can play your part in this groundbreaking campaign at www.OurPrivacy.ca."
 
What freakin' bullshit..................."OMG, they read my Facebook"

Then why do you post stuff??  So people CAN'T read it??
"Movement monitored"?.....yea, it's called a passport ya' moron, been around for a loooong time.

Sounds like the Govt. was preparing a defense to your 'Human Rights Case" ,..........what, they should just walk into court blindly?
Enough venting,...back to my tranquil cup of tea.....
 
These kind of articles make my head hurt.  If you work in an office and hear about a protest moving through down town Ottawa, or a long a highway.  The best way to find out exactly what is going on is to google it.  Which brings you to open source information you posted on facebook.  And if people protest by blocking highways, and rail lines using children as shields(here's looking at you Ontario) or pipelines (NB), you are affecting critical infrastructure that people depend on and are therefore going to get looked at by various levels of government.

Things are only 'private' where there is an expectation of privacy.  Posting things online for the world to see isn't private.  Writing on online message boards that aren't password protected, isn't private.

back to my tranquil cup of tea.....
That's a good idea.  Time to fire up the kettle.
 
5 bucks says she had an open profile (which is now properly secured), and anyone searching her name could have acquired the same information.
 
You would think.  It's somewhat secured.  Though you can still find a ton of information on it.
 
They also accessed her Indian Status report and formally asked IT to circumvent her security. In case sensitive information was being released to the public of course.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2013/05/29/conservative_government_found_spying_on_aboriginal_advocate_tim_harper.html

Essentially the same thing that happened to Sean Bruyea. Attempting to find dirt on law abiding citizens who disagree with the government. I don't want creepy beaureaucrats to use government resources to bully and intimidate people without legal oversight. Fishing expeditions were OK for terrorists, but this is something completely different. It seems My. Bruyea's treatment was not the exception to the rule but is in fact the new normal.
 
Umm, read more, drool less,

"Stoddart rejected the status report complaint and found that no personal information was being accessed by officials monitoring Blackstock’s speeches."



But there was no question in Stoddart’s report that two government departments, justice and aboriginal affairs, accessed Blackstock’s personal Facebook page, even making a formal request with their IT departments to circumvent security and get on the page.
“The question here is whether Canadians are comfortable with the government of Canada going on to your Facebook page in search of information,’’ Blackstock says, “This is not a 17-year-old hacker, this is the Government of Canada and it wasn’t a rogue department, because it crossed two departments.’’


OMG,...I just tried to access her FB page also...........when will it stop?
:panic:
 
So, today, we're discussing this ... right?

Why?

This is about a bunch of bureaucrats reading someone's Facebook information ... it is in no way related to the topic of this thread which is CSEC, the aptly described "little known spy agency." No one, not Prof Blackstock, not even the Toronto Star, is suggesting that CSEC "spied" in a Canadian in Canada.

What a colossal waste of valuable bandwidth ... no wonder our server is overloaded: it's filled with rubbish. This bit of this thread (today's discussion) belongs in Radio Chatter, at best.
 
As you wish Sir.
Split off and I'll place it in Canadian Politics as some folks think this is serious stuff.
 
Nemo888 said:
They also accessed her Indian Status report and formally asked IT to circumvent her security. In case sensitive information was being released to the public of course.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2013/05/29/conservative_government_found_spying_on_aboriginal_advocate_tim_harper.html

Essentially the same thing that happened to Sean Bruyea. Attempting to find dirt on law abiding citizens who disagree with the government. I don't want creepy beaureaucrats to use government resources to bully and intimidate people without legal oversight. Fishing expeditions were OK for terrorists, but this is something completely different. It seems My. Bruyea's treatment was not the exception to the rule but is in fact the new normal.

At the same time it is the responsibility of the IT personnel at the various Government Departments to ensure that their systems are not being abused for "non-governmental use", private business, gaming, pornography, etc.  If they do not monitor the activities of government systems, then employee productivity is not an issue with you; nor would the apprehension of Civil Servants who have been arrested for downloading and uploading pornography on government systems. 

Which way do you want it? 

This is NOT a super secret spy agency spying on government employees on government networks, but the prudent monitoring of those systems by the System Administrators.
 
Nemo888 said:
I don't want creepy beaureaucrats to use government resources to bully and intimidate people without legal oversight.
So is your main objection that you find bureaucrats "creepy" (and only want hot ones involved), or that you prefer all requisite bullying and intimidation to include legal oversight?

    :pop:
 
Sean Bruyea, Pat Strogan, etc getting their personal VAC medical files viewed by junior ministers bothered me much more. It seems to be becoming a systemic problem to invade people's private business when they have a legitimate legal beef with then government. This is Soviet era intimidation and smear tactics that have no place in Canada. If you want to snoop on law abiding citizens get a warrant. Otherwise more abuse is inevitable.
 
Nemo888 said:
Sean Bruyea, Pat Strogan, etc getting their personal VAC medical files viewed by junior ministers bothered me much more. It seems to be becoming a systemic problem to invade people's private business when they have a legitimate legal beef with then government. This is Soviet era intimidation and smear tactics that have no place in Canada. If you want to snoop on law abiding citizens get a warrant. Otherwise more abuse is inevitable.

::)

You seem to always have something to moan about. After you are torn apart over this super-secret facebook spy ring you move onto something completely else? Grasping at straws.

Give it a rest.
 
Flavus101 said:
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You seem to always have something to moan about. After you are torn apart over this super-secret facebook spy ring you move onto something completely else? Grasping at straws.

Give it a rest.

One of the first thing any good investigator (police, insurance, customs...) does is data mine open source info on a subject they want to interview or an incident they are looking into.  Ive even known some military supervisors who have been able to prove a subordinate who was "home sick" or on MELs was faking dueto what they posted online.  "Hmmm, you said you were home sick on friday Cpl but these pics you posted from the beach show different". 

Facebook, Linkedin,  club websites all the way down to army.ca message boards are fair game and get reviewed by anyone who cares to lok, no warrant needed because there is no expectation of privacy on publically posted info.  Defence lawyers even do it in prep for questioning or cross.  I dont see any of this as being an issue and the whole article is much a do about nothing (other then selling papers).
 
Schindler's Lift said:
One of the first thing any good investigator (police, insurance, customs...) does is data mine open source info on a subject they want to interview or an incident they are looking into.  Ive even known some military supervisors who have been able to prove a subordinate who was "home sick" or on MELs was faking dueto what they posted online.  "Hmmm, you said you were home sick on friday Cpl but these pics you posted from the beach show different". 

Facebook, Linkedin,  club websites all the way down to army.ca message boards are fair game and get reviewed by anyone who cares to lok, no warrant needed because there is no expectation of privacy on publically posted info.  Defence lawyers even do it in prep for questioning or cross.  I dont see any of this as being an issue and the whole article is much a do about nothing (other then selling papers).

Completely agree.  :nod:
 
I do not mind the government or CSEC or CSIS or RCMP spying on me. Just like any ordinary communist, I have full intent with malice aforethought to subvert the legitimate government of Canada. Just like any closet communist social worker I have for my intent to act as guardian for children begotten by Cuban and Chinese moles in the government and spy on CSIS agents who have 'gone on the edge' because of the  stressful work they have been. Just like any leftist journalist of CJSE I have for my intent to act as agents of influence for Cuba and China and slant national security articles to their favor. As of today, journalists of Canada knew who among the Cuban and Soviet CIAs were responsible for 9/11 or were aware of it approaching but chose not to write about it for it will incriminate my masters in Cuba. I AM THE COMPLETE PERSONIFICATION OF SNOWDEN. The Canadian government is justified to spy on me. Period.
 
ihaveevilintent said:
.... I AM THE COMPLETE PERSONIFICATION OF SNOWDEN. The Canadian government is justified to spy on me. Period.
Then allow me to protect you from the government's ill-intended eyes, at least on this forum.

Milnet.ca Staff
 
It took years for the CFC and PSAC to figure out my change of address, now if we can just get the NSA and CSIS to ensure that government databases are kept up to date on public information we might be able to justify the expense.
 
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