The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Halifax Tar]

Have to wonder how fast this would get through the senate

I always forget that crooked hitch.

 

[Haggis]

Have to wonder how fast this would get through the senate

The Liberal and "Independent" senators will do their best to stymie any attempts by the CPC to roll back the "progress" Trudeau has made on gun control. C-71 took almost two years to pass.

 

[suffolkowner]

Maybe.

They will, but it will take time thanks to the way C-21 and C-71 have made it impossible to roll back OIC bans with OICs. My CPC MP told me in October that they will get it done, but it's not a high priority, and this was before Trump became a factor for rhe next government to deal with.

I would agree as long as there's not another Portapique, Moncton or similar event that pushes this back to the front and centre before the election.

If theyre not going to make rolling back firearm bans. There's not much point in me voting for them

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Have to wonder how fast this would get through the senate

The Liberal and "Independent" senators will do their best to stymie any attempts by the CPC to roll back the "progress" Trudeau has made on gun control. C-71 took almost two years to pass.

The House has the option of placing a time to report on the bill sent to the Senate. They can say, "You have one month." If it's suspected that the committee is holding up a bill, a member of the house can bring it to the attention of the House and have a date to report imposed.

There is ways around the Senate sitting on it. Likewise, the House is not bound to accept the amendments of the Senate and a majority can pass the bill as written.

 

[Haggis]

If theyre not going to make rolling back firearm bans. There's not much point in me voting for them

They will reverse them. The problem is that the Liberals have crafted the current laws in such a way that reversing them properly is not simple or quick.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

They will reverse them. The problem is that the Liberals have crafted the current laws in such a way that reversing them properly is not simple or quick.

They should have enough of a majority to ram any bill they want, through the House whenever they want.

There's lots of consulting to be done. Drafts of the legislation need to be looked at and changed. The new firearms committee needs to be invited and picked. Lots of prep work before the discussion even comes public.

The new government has lots of criminal investigations to start, committees into malfeasance need to be undertaken. A huge ugly audit of our financial house needs doing. Taxes reminded, bad legislation negated.

I'm sure there will be a few people that will be seconded to start on the firearms file, but it's not a priority.

Maybe some short term fixes, like classification and transportation so we can start using our guns again, but in the main, I expect to see not a whole lot for about the first year.

 

[Fabius]

Short term ie first sitting of parliament, reintroduce Bill C42 from 2015 immediately upon winning power. Once that has royal assent remove the OICs.

Concurrently work on the complete replacement of the entire architecture.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Short term ie first sitting of parliament, reintroduce Bill C42 from 2015 immediately upon winning power. Once that has royal assent remove the OICs.

Concurrently work on the complete replacement of the entire architecture.

OIC's are tied to the Act they were written under, the new Act will have to specifically mention which ones are null and void, as I recall?

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think the CPC should make this a priority. Biases admitted.

I think most Canadian firearms owners, myself included, are enthusiastically in support of the CPC but we're also keeping a side eye on them tackling this. And their failure on this file will cost them, the CPC, dearly.

 

[Eaglelord17]

The House has the option of placing a time to report on the bill sent to the Senate. They can say, "You have one month." If it's suspected that the committee is holding up a bill, a member of the house can bring it to the attention of the House and have a date to report imposed.

There is ways around the Senate sitting on it. Likewise, the House is not bound to accept the amendments of the Senate and a majority can pass the bill as written.

The House of Commons can put whatever they want on it, the Senate isn’t bound to listen to them if they choose not to. They aren’t controlled by the House of Commons, their power comes from the Governor General (who appoints their members) via the King. Technically they are the equal of the House of Commons. Just because they choose not to act like it doesn’t mean they can’t.

They could kill a bill dead in it’s tracks majority or not from the House of Commons. It maybe considered a constitutional crisis if they did so, but technically it is within their powers.

Just as they can create bills but the House of Commons can kill it, both houses need to be in agreement to pass a law.

They should have enough of a majority to ram any bill they want, through the House whenever they want.

There's lots of consulting to be done. Drafts of the legislation need to be looked at and changed. The new firearms committee needs to be invited and picked. Lots of prep work before the discussion even comes public.

The new government has lots of criminal investigations to start, committees into malfeasance need to be undertaken. A huge ugly audit of our financial house needs doing. Taxes reminded, bad legislation negated.

I'm sure there will be a few people that will be seconded to start on the firearms file, but it's not a priority.

Maybe some short term fixes, like classification and transportation so we can start using our guns again, but in the main, I expect to see not a whole lot for about the first year.

There is no short term fix, they can’t just undo a OIC as per the legislation, rather they have to put a bill up in the house of commons, put it through the senate and get the governor general to sign it. However long that takes depends on how long all the groups decide to hold it up.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I'll buy you a case of Toller Gold if it lives passed the end of Mar home boy.

I agree that this is going to go nowhere. Nobody up here in my neck of the woods is taking anything the Feds say seriously. The Feds also have no mechanism to actually collect anything, especially in rural areas.

Where I live, almost every single household has firearms. There are like a dozen police officers for the entire area. They would need to bring in a Battalion to actually even make an attempt at confiscating anything, as the ratio of police to people is so low. And with how unpopular this current Government is in these parts, I would expect Law Enforcement to not receive a warm welcome.

I think they have to. The CPC owns the firearms community. And they can use it as a cost cutter measure.



Portapique didn't have that affect. It back fired on them. He did it all with illegal guns. Anywho, I think the tides have shifted on this.

All Portapique did was place a big bullseye on the RCMP in Nova Scotia. The RCMP are one or two more screw ups away from being run out of a bunch of provinces.

 

[Weinie]

I always forget that crooked bitch.

FTFY

 

[captloadie]

Given all the other things that the collective "we" want the CPC to fix, this will likely drop further down the list. It won't be an issue in the next election for them, they don't need the gun owner vote. They can just not push to enforce the OICs by law enforcement, which in the end makes both sides of the argument both happy and unhappy at the same time (no one is losing their guns, and no one is getting new ones that are "banned")

If I'm the CPC, I wait until year 3 of sitting in power, and then start work on the file, and slow roll it into year 4. Then towards the end of year 4, and into year 5, the election year, you hype the fact of how you rolled back the previous governments restrictions, and it is fresh in the mind of voters when they go to the polls are try to decide who to vote for based on what "their" party has done for them lately.

 

[Rifleman62]

Possibly this may not be a priority for the CPC. Allow a cooling off period otherwise people may be hunting Liberals.