The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[dapaterson]

How exactly do you repeal an Act of Parliament by OIC?

Unless there is provision within the legislation to do so (which would be highly unusual) you can't.

 

[PuckChaser]

How exactly do you repeal an Act of Parliament by OIC?

Can repeal it via another Act of Parliament when you have a majority government. Right now the Liberals are at the mercy of the fringe left to hold onto power until the Tories sort out leadership and get confidence pulled. NDP will prop the government up because they can't afford an election, Greens are useless so its up to the Bloc.

Another big thing would be for the Tories to put a motion up that's not a confidence motion to repeal the OIC and force every MP to put their name on a side of the line. That could cause a lot of Liberals to lose seats.

 

[Stoker]

Apparently if you want to be grandfathered your must have it deactivated. So much for waiting them out.....

 

[suffolkowner]

I can't access the gazette so I can't see what rifles are banned. Can anyone see an obvious pattern?
I'm assuming a Browning BAR is ok because its not "military style" but why ban a M14 and not a sks?
I wonder how long before handguns face the same treatment? Hopefully more details emerge in the next week so I can plan accordingly but it sure does underscore the difference between rural and urban Canada

 

[Good2Golf]

I can't access the gazette so I can't see what rifles are banned. Can anyone see an obvious pattern?
I'm assuming a Browning BAR is ok because its not "military style" but why ban a M14 and not a sks?
I wonder how long before handguns face the same treatment? Hopefully more details emerge in the next week so I can plan accordingly but it sure does underscore the difference between rural and urban Canada

Posted up thread:

With 1500 models and variants I'm guessing it's essentially banning any semi-automatic rifle with a magazine?


edit- here's a list
http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2020-05-01-x3/html/sor-dors96-eng.html

 

[Stoker]

I can't access the gazette so I can't see what rifles are banned. Can anyone see an obvious pattern?
I'm assuming a Browning BAR is ok because its not "military style" but why ban a M14 and not a sks?
I wonder how long before handguns face the same treatment? Hopefully more details emerge in the next week so I can plan accordingly but it sure does underscore the difference between rural and urban Canada

BAR is not on the list although I suspect it will be a matter of time before the SKS will be banned along with other firearms. The M-14 was banned because it was used in that shooting of the police in NB along with the Storm. The ban of handguns is still going ahead with cities being given the power to ban them in their jurisdictions instead of a national ban. The anti-gun lobby will continue to go after other firearms as well.

 

[suffolkowner]

Posted up thread:

when I click on it the link doesn't work for me and when I try to go to the gazette directly it doesn't work either for some reason

 

[dapaterson]

when I click on it the link doesn't work for me and when I try to go to the gazette directly it doesn't work either for some reason

I'm assuming that the server at the other end can't handle the number of requests it's getting.

 

[Stoker]

Try this. Here is the list.

 

[suffolkowner]

Try this. Here is the list.

Thanks Chief

 

[MilEME09]

I feel like MANPADS, Mortors and ATGMs are a little over kill since you cant buy those on the civilian market any way,and pretty sure the ammo was already prohib.

 

[OldSolduer]

I will be appealing.

I'm a gun owner. One .22 cal single shot is all I have so I think I'm ok.

I am guessing the owner groups/associations will mount a Supreme Court challenge to this?

Despite the fact virtually all of gun crimes committed were with illegally owned weapons, the Canadian way is to ban everything that might hurt someone. Using this logic, my 5.7 L Hemi powered car should be banned, because its fast and scary looking.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Well, I read the OIC. It makes no logical sense. I mean- making mortars, SAMs and Anti-Armour weapons prohibitted? There was a problem that needed a solution  :. Although, I feel for the poor bastard who just had his Eryx banned- not because it is banned, but because he owned that piece of crap in the first place.

There is zero logical consistency in the document. It is not really based on common operating principles that  I can detect. It is more like somebody played "call of duty" and said "ban all that stuff".

I take issue with them basing this on the consultations over the past year in which the vast majority of respondents said there was not a problem. But, I guess only some voices are important enough for hearing in Canada in 2020.

 

[OldSolduer]

Well, I read the OIC. It makes no logical sense. I mean- making mortars, SAMs and Anti-Armour weapons prohibitted? There was a problem that needed a solution  :. Although, I feel for the poor ******* who just had his Eryx banned- not because it is banned, but because he owned that piece of crap in the first place.

There is zero logical consistency in the document. It is not really based on common operating principles that  I can detect. It is more like somebody played "call of duty" and said "ban all that stuff".

I take issue with them basing this on the consultations over the past year in which the vast majority of respondents said there was not a problem. But, I guess only some voices are important enough for hearing in Canada in 2020.

Emotions vs facts.

Emotions win.

 

[NavyShooter]

Well FML.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I feel like MANPADS, Mortors and ATGMs are a little over kill since you cant buy those on the civilian market any way,and pretty sure the ammo was already prohib.

You would be correct- missiles and real mortar bombs would all be Prohibitted/regulated under the explosives act anyway, so this is pointless/humourous. Though, it got me thinking what this does to legitimate fireworks contractors. I mean: a mortar is a frickin pipe, basically. Hell,  a novice plumber could build a Mortar inside an hour.

 

[MarkOttawa]

And we all know why the Ruger Mini-14 was banned although it looks nothing like a military-style assault rifle, rather just another traditional rifle design. Can versions with 20-round mag. (see link) be bought legally in Canada?
https://ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html

Mark
Ottawa

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Mark,

No, you could not buy the 20 round magazine for the Mini-14 legally in Canada. It was prohibitted.

 

[dapaterson]

My primary critique (I own no firearms and live in an urban area) is that the regulations purport to address assault-style weapons, but never define the term "assult-style".

I also note the observations on risk:

There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future.

 

[Cloud Cover]

On what basis to appeal. This is a complete blanket ban. The Supreme Court has already decided that the regulations about possession and use of firearms are within federal authority so there really is no need to consult on this. The only things that might be appealed are lack of compensation, or insufficient compensation but even that is a stretch.

I would note the governments true ideological intention was expressly stated by Bill Blair this morning - to end the “militarization in society”  - to the extent that even actually exists in Canada.  Note also they state in the Gazette that they have no idea of the true numbers of the “ implicated” firearms, but they also write with some glee that it will be “aggressive” males primarily located in Ontario, BC and Alberta who will be impacted. So no hit to the liberal voter base and that is the only thing that matters to these people.