The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
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MilEME09 said:
It was already there, they didn't piss away any votes they already didn't have. What they are doing though, is risking NDP and BQ seats. Do NDP stalwarts like Charlie Angus stand up and save their seat by voting against the party, or do they fall in line with the urban progressives taking over the NDP? The Liberals also won a few ridings by under 2000 vote margains (same with NDP over Tory and BQ over Tory). Does the firearms lobby get out and run a massive third party campaign against the Liberals/NDP in those battleground ridings? We saw how effective grassroots Ontario Proud was at targetting the provincial Liberals when Doug Ford took power.
Perhaps its time Canadians realized big public sector unions are running our elections with massive ad dollar buys (Working Families Coalition anyone?) where other grassroots causes can start running counter campaigns. Firearm owners have deep pockets and are probably a lot more of a silent majority than the Liberals think.
Colin Parkinson
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A lot of union members are gun owners, if the CPC could grow up a bit and realize there is generally a massive divide between union management and union members. Most people on the shop floor are a whole lot less socialist than the people who work fulltime for the unions.
Colin P said:
Almost this entire terminal will be voting CPC next election due to this and we are Union.. only the hard union guys here are anti-cpc and they care only about "muh raits" and the cpc being "3v1l" then the reality...
But yeah if the CPC could address us boys on the ground.. they could gain votes.. a lot of us feel the unions are corrupt as hell as well as the company.
To bad everything is polarized these days.
Abdullah
https://globalnews.ca/news/6902912/justin-trudeau-assault-weapons-erin-otoole/?fbclid=IwAR16T_zA7UB2Q_30BsszitoMcH4t0es_sV8r6TJfEoboQoYefZXFFJoMSh4
So Otoole was military at some point right?
“O’Toole is a decorated military veteran who knows exactly what a “military assault weapon” really is.
“When I joined the military, I learned to fire assault weapons — a fully-automatic C7, which is a variation of a U.S. machine gun,” O’Toole told me.”
Um...
So Otoole was military at some point right?
“O’Toole is a decorated military veteran who knows exactly what a “military assault weapon” really is.
“When I joined the military, I learned to fire assault weapons — a fully-automatic C7, which is a variation of a U.S. machine gun,” O’Toole told me.”
Um...
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Remius said:
Swing and a miss...
Colin Parkinson
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I found that most vets from 70-80's really didn't know much about firearms outside of what was directly taught to them. In fact I say "I can shoot pistol despite my army training".
ballz
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It's so cringy when politicians play up their military experience for more than what it was, and there's no shortage of it... sadly the ones that don't, such as Andrew Leslie, get little attention for what they might have to bring to the table.
It's not quite the Dunning-Kruger effect, but it seems in line with that. It's like humility, which is a characteristic we all need a little more of, works against them.
It's not quite the Dunning-Kruger effect, but it seems in line with that. It's like humility, which is a characteristic we all need a little more of, works against them.
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MilEME09 said:
He should have shot C7 and pistol once a year while at 423, and C6 on the aircraft more often when at sea.
I hate people being "experts" more than they actually are. But is this a case of he was trying to make a point, and then what he said not put completely in context?
In any case, the liberals have put the conservatives in an unenviable position. How do they do what their base wants, without alienating most urban Canadians?
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A for effort in O’Toole’s part, but D for execution.
If he’d said (and actually done) “I’ve fired the C6 and C9 fully-automatic machine-guns and those are assault weapons meant to incapacitate and kill large numbers of enemy.” it would have been okay. Swing and a miss, unfortunately.
Saying a C7 is fully-automatic is painfully wrong and when picked apart, doesn’t help the cause.
As an aside, I consider ‘decorated’ to be something more along the lines of a meritorious or bravery decoration, not just 12+ years of service, but maybe that’s just a personal thing.
Regarding the Gazette list, did I miss seeing the Diemaco C7 and C8?
If he’d said (and actually done) “I’ve fired the C6 and C9 fully-automatic machine-guns and those are assault weapons meant to incapacitate and kill large numbers of enemy.” it would have been okay. Swing and a miss, unfortunately.
Saying a C7 is fully-automatic is painfully wrong and when picked apart, doesn’t help the cause.
As an aside, I consider ‘decorated’ to be something more along the lines of a meritorious or bravery decoration, not just 12+ years of service, but maybe that’s just a personal thing.
Regarding the Gazette list, did I miss seeing the Diemaco C7 and C8?
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Good2Golf said:
Wait, what? 14 years in now, with plenty of refresher trg/boarding party using the C7/C8, and my understanding was that it IS a fully-automatic rifle? Have I been wrong this whole time?
Doesn't the spiel from basic training go something like: "the C7 is a fully-automatic, gas operated, etc..."?
How to escape the trap? He said it himself, tell the truth in painful detail outlining statistics for illegal possession weapons being used contrasted with the number of registered firearms used in crime and explaining how the money being used to buy off legitimate gun owners will be applied to stopping or at least reducing the smuggling. Make it a cost/benefit analysis format that people can understand (like as a cartoon). For those who really are concerned make available a list of gun crimes by type and legal or illegal possession. Make it part of a greater campaign of 'Here is how the liberals have deceived you and wasted your money' . It is only a trap if you don't make the truth readily apparent
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Good2Golf said:
“Time to eat crow in this one,” he said, dusting off the grey cells and remembering through the fog that it was the C1 that was semi-auto only.
Virtual apologies to Erin O’Toole, he was right, I was wrong. C7 (and C8) is indeed full-auto. I can’t honestly recall ever firing the C7/C8 full auto.
Follow-on question from before...I see the Colt C7A1, A2 and CT but no C8 in the Gazette. Could one still buy a C8 then?
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G2G
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