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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

lenaitch

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Yes; I can see arguments under Sec. 91 and 92, as well Charter Sec 15 (equality).
 

ModlrMike

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It bears keeping in mind that this is not about firearms. This is about the Liberals cultivating support in urban ridings at the expense of rural ridings which they could never hope to win.
 

Haggis

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It bears keeping in mind that this is not about firearms. This is about the Liberals cultivating support in urban ridings at the expense of rural ridings which they could never hope to win.
Remember Catherine McKenna's lesson on how to sway the public: If you say it often enough and loud enough then people will believe it. Yesterday I watched five different Liberal politicians spew the exact same talking points one after another. That's 90 minutes of my life I will never see again.
 

MilEME09

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So some are saying this particular part of the bill could be used to target movies, video games, etc... I think it's crazy but the wording is very vague.
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Haggis

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So some are saying this particular part of the bill could be used to target movies, video games, etc... I think it's crazy but the wording is very vague.
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It may change the way movies are advertised in print (e.g. posters) and video games are packaged and advertised but I doubt it will affect the content.
 

FJAG

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Remember Catherine McKenna's lesson on how to sway the public: If you say it often enough and loud enough then people will believe it. Yesterday I watched five different Liberal politicians spew the exact same talking points one after another. That's 90 minutes of my life I will never see again.
The Big Lie technique of propaganda is a long known and practiced one which predates McKenna.

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Halifax Tar

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Those were dumb comments. I understand getting emotional about this topic, but we have to keep things civil. Mr. Clare is a usually well spoken and usually articulate guy. This seems out of character and will not win us support among the undecided. It will also only give our opposition more squeals of horror which never make us look good, facts be damned.

As well he, Mr. Clare, is incorrect we do not have freedom of speech we have freedom of expression and I do not believe that covers calls for violence and intimidation.
 

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Those comments were completely counter productive to the aims. You would think that an organization that understands target acquitistion, aim, and measured trigger pressure would apply the same discrimination to its words.
 

RangerRay

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Comments like that do nothing but cement the stereotype of firearms owners as being a bunch of rednecks and extremists. 🤦‍♂️
 

Eaglelord17

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Those were dumb comments. I understand getting emotional about this topic, but we have to keep things civil. Mr. Clare is a usually well spoken and usually articulate guy. This seems out of character and will not win us support among the undecided. It will also only give our opposition more squeals of horror which never make us look good, facts be damned.

As well he, Mr. Clare, is incorrect we do not have freedom of speech we have freedom of expression and I do not believe that covers calls for violence and intimidation.
Freedom of thought, opinion, and expression. That is much more substantial than freedom of speech as it covers the whole process and that includes the right to believe in violence as acceptable means to a end (considering every human interaction is ultimately based on violence, I don't see how the government can arbitrarily declare its unacceptable for others to use or consider the means it itself uses to squash resistance).

Mr. Clare in my opinion is a terrible spokesperson for firearms owners. Lots of questionable things that have happened in his organization on top of actively fighting other firearms rights groups. The sooner he is out of the spotlight the better. The more moderate groups like the CSSA or CCFR are much better for convincing the Canadian public of this issue than the NFAs 'All or nothing' approach which will ultimately result in nothing.
 

Fishbone Jones

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Given the way this government has demonized law abiding citizens who have broken no laws. And given the way it has lied, twisted and outright embarked on a campaign of convincing other Canadians we are a pariah, I'll let it slide.
I'm not condoning it and I think they fucked up. I also think we should be praising our organizations for fighting the good fight. We are a bunch of novices going up against an aggressive, unfair, untruthful, professional deep pocketed PMO. Frustration is bound to get the better eventually. I'm not ready to crucify our spokespeople just yet, over one slip up. These are civies, not lawyers, they get frustrated and stuff happens.

And that MP is a joke. She's acting like a leftist from down south. And the government just legitimized a new tool. Your free speech just turned out the lights on the way out of the door. Say something the sitting government doesn't like, and you are publicly cancelled by committee. Won't be long, it'll be stepped up, to fines, then jail.
 

Haggis

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I finally had an opportunity to watch the second reading of Bill C-21. To say I was shocked by Minister Blair's response to Conservative MP Shannon Stubbs would be mild. Shocked, but not surprised.
 

Halifax Tar

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I finally had an opportunity to watch the second reading of Bill C-21. To say I was shocked by Minister Blair's response to Conservative MP Shannon Stubbs would be mild. Shocked, but not surprised.
The wife has had me on honey do tasks all weekend... What did I miss ?
 

Fishbone Jones

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Stare at the camera and flat out lie to the country, knowing your narrative is completely without truth. Someone should check on Blair. His house must be neck deep in bullshit. When your government cares so little as to go public with such a false, demeaning, divisive set of lies like this, they don't care about your opinion or rights. You are in the way of their socialist bulldozer. They intend on giving no quarter on their way to an autocratic leadership.
 
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