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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

Other than assigning police to every church or school or mall is an armed public.
 
Police Forces don't want changes to handgun laws because they are some of the biggest benefiters from the present set up.

Most police forces don't own their own ranges.  They have deals with civilian owned ranges that are run by the sport shooting community.  No handguns allowed, sports shooting community dies and ranges close leaving police forces on the hook.

Many police officers also own their own pistols and rifles and shoot on their own time because they are professionals who want to stay sharp.  No police force gives their regular members anywhere near enough rounds to stay proficient with their service weapon.

I used to be a member of the Frontenac Rifle and Pistol Club, some of the biggest users of our facility were Kingston Police Force.

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Too add, a registry makes sense to police because it allows them a certain level of control and is just personal information at the end of the day.

An outright ban doesn't make sense because now it's also affecting them negatively.
 
Good point about the police using privately owned ranges, I've seen it myself a few times including kingston as well. Had some pretty good convos and shoots at the corneall handgun club with cops.

I believe Kingston has or had a 1-2 year wait period to even join the shooting range. People underestimate how popular shooting is.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Good point about the police using privately owned ranges, I've seen it myself a few times including kingston as well. Had some pretty good convos and shoots at the corneall handgun club with cops.

I believe Kingston has or had a 1-2 year wait period to even join the shooting range. People underestimate how popular shooting is.
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Two year minimum wait, you need to go to an interview meeting and orientation and you need to do I believe five accompanied range days before you can shoot on your own.  You also need to commit to show up to do work like clean up days, building ranges, maintenance, etc.  It's about $300.00 a year just for membership.

Police Officers don't need to do any of that.  They can show up whenever they want, have first priority on all ranges and don't need to pay or participate in any of the social club BS that I never really cared about. 
 
Jarnhamar said:
I believe Kingston has or had a 1-2 year wait period to even join the shooting range. People underestimate how popular shooting is.
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In some provinces the CFO will not approve a restricted purchase or transfer to someone who is not a club or range member.  Those CFOs believes that proof of club or range membership is required to show "target shooting at an approved club or range"  as a legitimate purpose for owning a restricted.

I'm a training officer in my club.  New members are required to attend a classroom day plus up to six supervised range visits with a club training officer and attend a club level holster user's course, if they intend to use their own holsters. (LEO need not attend this if and only if they are using duty gear and firearm.  If they intend to use their personal firearm(s) and holster, they must attend the course to show safe handling and proficiency with that setup.)

Even with those requirements, membership applications have exploded over the past few months as we are one of the only clubs in our region that doesn't have a year-plus long waiting list or a membership cap.... yet.
 
Sounds like there is opportunity for those who want to open a new business in the area...that whole supply/demand thing....
 
Infanteer said:
Sounds like there is opportunity for those who want to open a new business in the area...that whole supply/demand thing....
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Good luck getting a new range through the zoning/approval process in most municipalities today. You might as well propose building an oil pipeline....
 
Infanteer said:
Sounds like there is opportunity for those who want to open a new business in the area...that whole supply/demand thing....
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Except Supply/Demand doesn't work with guns in this country because municipalities have basically killed the ability to build a new one with legislation. 

There is only one range anywhere near the GTA and it's 40 min outside the city.  There can't be many sports shooters in Toronto so I wonder where all those handguns are coming from?

 
The range I run in Wawa (missed a monthly meeting and got elected president)  :facepalm: has members from the gta that own camps here and can't get into clubs south of Hwy 7. They meet all club safety requirements by shooting here when at camp, this gives them the ability to do walk-in’s down south till an opening presents its self.
 
Colt is going to stop making AR15 rifles for consumers. Says the market is flooded and there’s an excess of stock:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/colt-ar15/index.html
 
Trudeau is going to need something big to deflect the black face fuck up.

Time to play the Gunn control card?
 
Jarnhamar said:
Trudeau is going to need something big to deflect the black face frig up.

Time to play the Gunn control card?
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Already in motion, press conference at 1030am.  At the location of a fatal shooting last year in TO.
 
Oh, well shit lol

Trudeau has been eating black face paint if he thinks this is going to go well for him.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Oh, well crap lol

Trudeau has been eating black face paint if he thinks this is going to go well for him.
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Calculated risk.  Most of the pro gun types are against him no matter what.  According to some sources 75% of Canadians want to see some sort of "Assault" weapons ban.

If they can frame Scheer as being in league with the gun lobby that can only help them. 

I am certain they were waiting for the right tinme (like after this blackface fiasco) to do this.

Like them or not, the LPC war room is shaping this election battlefield.
 
From the free sources I cared to look at it looked like the majority thought our gun control was sufficient and didn't want to change it. Of course that's not going to stop Trudeau.

On the bright side the chances of a picture of him doing something stupid with a gun in existence is pretty high.
 
Initial reports from a 1030EDT Liberal newser via The Canadian Press:
Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is promising to ban all military-style assault rifles as part of a broader gun-control plan that will also take steps towards restricting and banning handguns.

Trudeau is making the pledge in Toronto as he tries to get his campaign back on track after apologizing for wearing blackface years ago.

The Liberals also pledge to work with provinces and territories to empower municipalities to further restrict — or ban — handguns.

Trudeau is making the announcement in the city’s Greektown neighbourhood, where a gunman killed two people and wounded 13 others last year in a shooting rampage.

The party says it will protect the rights of law-abiding hunters and vows not to re-establish the controversial long-gun registry that was scrapped by the previous Conservative government.

The proposal also includes pledges to create a buy-back program for all legally purchased assault rifles and a two-year amnesty while the program is being set up.
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Cross-posted this to the Election 2019 thread so the politics can be discussed there, and the mechanics of the proposals here.
 
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