The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Haggis]

I wonder if the government can be sued for this permit system they are adopting. By publicly stating they intend to adopt it and then deny all permits based off a law they may or may not end up passing, they are truly dealing in bad faith. Basically making things illegal without making them illegal (which seems to be becoming the modus operandi for government at the moment).

To be fair, Minister Joly is completely within her authority to deny import permits for handguns - or any other item/commodity - for any justifiable reason. We don't have to like that reason, it just has to exist so as to be defensible in court. This likely wouldn't be, given no clear national security imperative, but the Liberals would just invoke Section 39 once again as they did in defence of the May 1, 2020 OIC.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Toronto and Vancouver/Victoria seem more like Grand Theft Auto V every day. The west coast is normalizing targeted killings.

So your saying that most of the urban voters are NPC's with a very limited AI and will forget that an incident and carry on as before? That explains so much......

 

[Haggis]

The CSAAA announced that any imported handguns that have cleared customs by August 19 will be allowed into Canada. Everything not cleared by that date will be refused entry.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Gun Control is a big wedge issue for the lunatic left. I really can't envision them giving that up. There's going to be shenanigans and fuckery afoot, but I can't see them banning everything and ending the controversy. It's worth too many votes and PR points.

 

[Ostrozac]

Toronto and Vancouver/Victoria seem more like Grand Theft Auto V every day. The west coast is normalizing targeted killings.

During Montreal’s gang war in the late 1990’s there were plenty of targeted killings (162 dead in all) — but the weapon of choice seemed to be explosives. Organized crime will always find a way — that’s why they are organized.

 

[Jarnhamar]

For those keeping score,

Canada's Most Dangerous Places 2020 - Macleans.ca

Use this interactive tool to see the full ranking of Canada's most dangerous places. Rank cities by type of crime or see all the statistics for one city.

www.macleans.ca

Homicide rate by metro area in Canada 2023| Statista

This statistic shows the homicide rate in Canada in 2023, distinguished by metropolitan areas.

www.statista.com

GTA Toronto's trying hard to take top place, no doubt about it.

Axe and machette attack on a realtor.

Well-known Brampton, Ont. real estate agent, media personality savagely attacked outside home

A well-known real estate agent and media personality in Brampton, Ont. was viciously attacked in broad daylight in his own driveway by three men, two of whom appeared to be wielding an axe and a machete.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

I'm surprised Torontonians aren't pushing for ATC handgun permits.

 

[mariomike]

I posted,

Canada's Most Dangerous Places 2020 - Macleans.ca

Use this interactive tool to see the full ranking of Canada's most dangerous places. Rank cities by type of crime or see all the statistics for one city.

www.macleans.ca

Homicide rate by metro area in Canada 2023| Statista

This statistic shows the homicide rate in Canada in 2023, distinguished by metropolitan areas.

www.statista.com

Take it, or leave it. I'm not playing party politics with you today, Jarnhamar. The weather is too nice. Have a good one!

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I posted,

Canada's Most Dangerous Places 2020 - Macleans.ca

Use this interactive tool to see the full ranking of Canada's most dangerous places. Rank cities by type of crime or see all the statistics for one city.

www.macleans.ca

Homicide rate by metro area in Canada 2023| Statista

This statistic shows the homicide rate in Canada in 2023, distinguished by metropolitan areas.

www.statista.com

Take it, or leave it. I'm not playing party politics with you today, Jarnhamar. The weather is too nice. Have a good one!

Some of these stats show there isn't necessarily a correlation between homicide rate and firearms deaths.

Look at Thunder Bay, Kenora, etc. High up on Homicides (TBay being #1) but all the way down at #80 for firearms deaths.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Take it, or leave it. I'm not playing party politics with you today, Jarnhamar. The weather is too nice. Have a good one!

Hopefully the forecast doesn't call for more raining axes and machettes. Stay safe out there my friend.

 

[mariomike]

Axe and machette attack on a realtor.

Well-known Brampton, Ont. real estate agent, media personality savagely attacked outside home

A well-known real estate agent and media personality in Brampton, Ont. was viciously attacked in broad daylight in his own driveway by three men, two of whom appeared to be wielding an axe and a machete.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

I don't know anything about Brampton, but reminds me of something someone said years ago.

"I would rather be a lamp post in Mississauga, than mayor of Brampton."

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I don't know anything about Brampton, but reminds me of something someone said years ago.

"I would rather be a lamp post in Mississauga, than mayor of Brampton."

That's a suckers bet!

 

[OldSolduer]

During Montreal’s gang war in the late 1990’s there were plenty of targeted killings (162 dead in all) — but the weapon of choice seemed to be explosives. Organized crime will always find a way — that’s why they are organized.

No kidding - the HA and Rock Machine tore it up until a bomb killed a 12 year old kid.

None cares that gang bangers don't undergo extensive training to handle firearms or use explosives. As long as they only kill each other its ok is the attitude most of the public has.

The issue is that eventually an innocent gets caught in the crossfire - or an explosion.

 

[mariomike]

As long as they only kill each other its ok is the attitude most of the public has.

Bugsy Siegal used to say, "We only kill each other."

As long as it's recidivists beating on each other, I doubt the public much cares one way or the other.

 

[Halifax Tar]

No kidding - the HA and Rock Machine tore it up until a bomb killed a 12 year old kid.

None cares that gang bangers don't undergo extensive training to handle firearms or use explosives. As long as they only kill each other its ok is the attitude most of the public has.

The issue is that eventually an innocent gets caught in the crossfire - or an explosion.

Exactly, I shed no tears nor lose sleep when criminals kill criminals. And if they could keep it that way I would be perfectly fine with it.

But when the heathens stray and hurt the innocent the response from the civilized needs to be swift, violent and exact.

I always laugh when little Johnny Bad Ass is whacked and his momma cry's about how he was a good boy. No, no he wasn't and momma you probably had a hand in making him that way; either directly or by being a shitty parent.

 

[Haggis]

Effective today, Canadian businesses and individuals are no longer permitted to legally import new handguns into Canada, with very limited exceptions as outlined in the proposed Bill C-21. Handguns that are outside of Canada for which a registration certificate has already been issued in Canada will be allowed to return to Canada.

Foreign nationals are permitted to bring handguns into Canada temporarily (i.e. for competitions) as long as the requirement s of s. 35(1) of the Firearms Act are met.

No word on any new import restrictions for parts and/or accessories.

 

[Kat Stevens]

You better get one of these while you can, the loons are coming for them #ishityounot.
https://www.princessauto.com/en/36v-cordless-screwdriver-gun/product/PA0008972275

'Novelty' screwdriver that looks like replica handgun raising concerns

Concerns are being raised about the sale of a screwdriver that looks like a replica handgun available at a popular auto retailer across Canada.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

We have become a nation of pussweeds.

 

[Kat Stevens]

You better get one of these while you can, the loons are coming for them #ishityounot.
https://www.princessauto.com/en/36v-cordless-screwdriver-gun/product/PA0008972275

'Novelty' screwdriver that looks like replica handgun raising concerns

Concerns are being raised about the sale of a screwdriver that looks like a replica handgun available at a popular auto retailer across Canada.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

We have become a nation of pussweeds.

From the article;
"While a product that looks like a gun or toy guns could seem harmless, police say they pose a challenge because fakes look like real firearms and in a fast moving situation police need to treat them as real which could lead to tragic circumstances. "
Then don't bring a screwdriver to a gunfight, duh.

 

[CBH99]

From the article;
"While a product that looks like a gun or toy guns could seem harmless, police say they pose a challenge because fakes look like real firearms and in a fast moving situation police need to treat them as real which could lead to tragic circumstances. "
Then don't bring a screwdriver to a gunfight, duh.

Actually, I DO hope they bring a screwdriver to a gunfight.

Go try to rob a store or do something where the police respond to an incident & make contact with the suspect. Wave the gun around, do something stupid that communicates a threat to the police or a nearby citizen.


One less idiot. No real potential harm to anybody other than himself.

And a vast majority of the population would fully understand and support the officer’s actions as being reasonable.

 

[Haggis]

From the article;
"While a product that looks like a gun or toy guns could seem harmless, police say they pose a challenge because fakes look like real firearms and in a fast moving situation police need to treat them as real which could lead to tragic circumstances. "

That is very true. Bad folks have been modifying their real guns to look like toys for some time. They hope to gain a second or two advantage over their opponents (LEOs or other bad folks) by causing a hesitation in their OODA loop.

 

[CBH99]

I don't know anything about Brampton, but reminds me of something someone said years ago.

"I would rather be a lamp post in Mississauga, than mayor of Brampton."

Over the years, I’ve had more than my share of dealing with large groups of Indian males in their early 20’s to mid 30’s

A lot of bars & nightclubs won’t let in large groups of them anymore, just due to the dynamic it brings into the venue

A small group of like 2-4 friends, no problem. But when 20-30 show up as a group, and you end up with 2 or more of those groups… almost guaranteed to have some problems as the night goes on.

The crappy part is it’s usually 1 or 2 that are the trouble makers, while the rest are totally fine. But when the trouble makers are asked to leave? Then the whole group comes to their aid. <Que eventual fisticuffs…>

That is UNTIL I DISCOVERED the secret weapon that has an instantly neutralizing effect on aggressive Indian males…their Mothers.

Or any Indian mother it would seem, strikes the fear of God into them. From brazen & aggressive to apologetic & leaving in about 20 seconds flat