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And just which personal freedoms and rights have we lost since 2015 under the JT liberals?
The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
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The right to personally own arms is under a bit of a squeeze.
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Yes, absolutely, but, if that's all anyone here can think of, then I would categorize the statements "I see the steady degradation of personal rights and privacy" and "the loaf of bread that represent our personal freedoms and rights is slowly being sliced away" as pure hyperbole.
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"My body, my choice" seems to have a whole new meaning...
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Only until C-10 passes. Then it's only a matter of time until they find us here.
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Emergencies Act
Travel restrictions due to covid regulations
Gun control
Bill C-11 & 18 regarding content and streaming on the internet
Granting authority to FN to control access to traditional territories which removes access to all other Canadians
A number of other smaller measures through other means (policy, OIC)
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System 2 thinking spanks System 1 thinking…
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And...
Right to due government process for the first three
Right to free media (not state controlled).
Free speech
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Yes the end run around due process on the gun control issue is astonishing just on it's own.
As well as the games played in cabinet to avoid answering for his actions invoking the emergencies Act and freezing bank accounts.
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It's all about Freedom:
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This was both temporary and limited to a very specific group of people and places for a very specific purpose. It's over noe, the slice of bread has been put back.
Again, this was temporary and in response to AN ACTUAL F**KING PANDEMIC. The slice of bread is back.
Don't know enough about these two. One sounds very administrative in nature, the other one sounds like it could be a real dick punch to small content creators. Sounds like they are trying to determine the price of a slice of bread, not actually take it away.
I would argue this is giving some rights/freedoms back to the OG Canadians. Kind of like having two sacks of bread and taking a slice from one and giving it to the other. We already had separate sacks.
Yep, I disagree with this one, because I don't see an issue with safe and lawful and sensible gun ownership, but honestly... I wouldn't feel any less "free" in Canada if they outright banned all guns. Kind of like throwing away the crust from all the bread. I mean, I actually like the crust, and wanted to eat it, but am I butt hurt that it's gone? No.
Clearly they weren't very significant if I've never heard of them and you weren't even bothered to list them. I guess all the slices are still there.
Do you want me to give you a list of things the liberals have done/enacted that have actually increased the level of freedom in Canada?
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For the first two, it's literally the executive branches' mandate to take the sort of health measures that they did without having to go through parliament. They literally did their job. For the third, yea, that OIC was bullshit, but now they are passing a bill, which is also bullshit, but they are at least following the process.
Also, "right to due government process" doesn't even make sense from the perspective of government making laws. We're talking about indivudal rights here. If the government doesn't follow the proper process when making a law, I haven't had my rights infringed as a result.
In what world would there be completely unregulated media? Even the CPC doesn't advocate that. Our media was ranked 14th most free in the world for 2021 (the most recent full year analysis).
The 2021 Human Freedom Index, which factors freedom of speech into its assessment, ranked Canada 6th in the world. Nothing the LPC has enacted has fundamentally limited that.
Where in the sam hell is it you people think you are living?
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All of Canada is claimed by FN's, actually more than all, the consequences of that will come to haunt anyone that wants to go into the back country at some point. Gun Control is nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with vote harvesting, turning a group of Canadians into 2nd class citizens for vote is immoral. There is nothing sensible about it, they just hate people like me and enjoy destroying us. They will also authorize deadly force to make it happen if anyone resists.
One example of creep of the State was to give us powers under the CNWA to enter anywhere to search for plans of structures into water. We at the field level objected to that level of power, they still left it in the Act.
It's debatable if that slice needed to be taken in regards to Covid, as it was already clear any benefit from it had long since gone. There was no need for the Emergency Act or going after people livelihoods. It's clear that the use of exterme powers is their go to method of operation. For now they have their hands tied, but they will undermine those controls.
For the Bills, they are all about controlling who sees what and that will end badly.
There is a pattern to their thinking and it's not healthy for the country in the long term. The Liberal party needs to be burnt to the ground and then rebuilt back to something that benefits Canada.
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So what happens when the Gov targets you for whatever reason they feel?
Once you slice a loaf, it is no longer whole. Precedents set are there to stay.
That is a you feeling. What about the rights of other who feel differently?
Your comments above just show the divide going on.
You personally feel more free, and so are not concerned with the plight of your fellow Canadians.
Queue Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Others have already addressed your post, but I wanted to target this point in particular.
First, how is universal basic income a bad thing? Every study so far has said it is a good idea that would effective at dealing with a slew of issues; and
Second, even if the results of UBI trials indicated it was a flawed idea that led to neutral or even worse outcomes for people, how in the hell does his support for it in any way support, indicate, or inform as to his position as a dictator in waiting?
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Gun Control is all politics
But not all politics is gun control.
There are other forums better suited to this sidetrack without pulling gun control along with it.
But not all politics is gun control.
There are other forums better suited to this sidetrack without pulling gun control along with it.
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Anyone else following along with the SECU transcripts? The more I read the more it becomes clear that (whether by arrogance/incompetence or design (or both)) the communication and delivery of the amendment has been undertaken in a manner that maximizes pushback.
Noted failures:
Chiang failing to grow a set to field questions about why it was tabled the way it was
Failing to communicate that a large part of the list was codifying guns already captured by previous bans
Failing to create a carvout for historical and hunting guns within the 10kJ/ 20mm restriction (seriously- Parker Bro's shotguns are in the same section as Javelin ATGM)
Failing to communicate that not all versions of guns on the list are prohibited only the ones that are chambered such that they violate said restrictions (would have been rendered moot by the carveout, but still- own goal)
Failing to communicate that the Benelli ban has a long long list of exemptions, including all of the models commercially available in Canada
Failing to properly follow their own damn definitions when compiling the list (I'm looking at you SKS and M1 Garand)
Failing to consult with well, anyone
Noted failures:
Chiang failing to grow a set to field questions about why it was tabled the way it was
Failing to communicate that a large part of the list was codifying guns already captured by previous bans
Failing to create a carvout for historical and hunting guns within the 10kJ/ 20mm restriction (seriously- Parker Bro's shotguns are in the same section as Javelin ATGM)
Failing to communicate that not all versions of guns on the list are prohibited only the ones that are chambered such that they violate said restrictions (would have been rendered moot by the carveout, but still- own goal)
Failing to communicate that the Benelli ban has a long long list of exemptions, including all of the models commercially available in Canada
Failing to properly follow their own damn definitions when compiling the list (I'm looking at you SKS and M1 Garand)
Failing to consult with well, anyone
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Other tidbits via committee
-Chair pre-emptively ruled that the amendment was admissible, no debate allowed. Decision was challenged but lost the vote
-They had/have to tapdance around the list in G46 while discussing G4, because the amendments have to be dealt with in order and can't be discussed until moved
-The committee doesn't have the power to bring in a buyback amendment because of the financial ramifications
-Even if the Amendment fails nothing prevents the same measures being adopted as OIC
-Chair pre-emptively ruled that the amendment was admissible, no debate allowed. Decision was challenged but lost the vote
-They had/have to tapdance around the list in G46 while discussing G4, because the amendments have to be dealt with in order and can't be discussed until moved
-The committee doesn't have the power to bring in a buyback amendment because of the financial ramifications
-Even if the Amendment fails nothing prevents the same measures being adopted as OIC
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