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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

We never have the right to own firearms. I stand to be corrected.
That is debatable. Clearly it is acknowledged to some degree thanks to aboriginal treaties (right to hunt, etc.). The English Bill of Rights 1689 also to some degree applies to Canada and that included the right to be armed.

Mind you the supreme court ruled against this argument, that being said I still think a valid legal argument can be made on pre-1867 rights in Canada.

Personally I believe that the right to own firearms isn’t itself a right, rather the right to self defence is, or life, liberty, and security of the person. I also believe in property rights even though the government tries arguing that doesn’t exist, again I would consider it a pre-1867 right. Owning firearms I would consider a extension those rights.
 
That is debatable. Clearly it is acknowledged to some degree thanks to aboriginal treaties (right to hunt, etc.). The English Bill of Rights 1689 also to some degree applies to Canada and that included the right to be armed.

Mind you the supreme court ruled against this argument, that being said I still think a valid legal argument can be made on pre-1867 rights in Canada.

Personally I believe that the right to own firearms isn’t itself a right, rather the right to self defence is, or life, liberty, and security of the person. I also believe in property rights even though the government tries arguing that doesn’t exist, again I would consider it a pre-1867 right. Owning firearms I would consider a extension those rights.
Property rights in the Bill of Rights?
If we dont have property rights, can i have my house taken? My ???
 
There where Firearms Rights in the BNA and earlier provisions.

PET ensured those where written out when the Constitution was ‘repatriated’.
You know, settling Western Canada was a lot tougher and just as violent (but on a smaller scale) than the US.
When I look at historical pictures of the Okanagan as it was a cattle staging area for the northern gold rush area, EVERYBODY was packing heat. How that never made it into preserved cultural right when the West entered confederation is baffling to me. Even ranchibg pictures right up into the 1950’s there were Garands and Tommy guns hanging around. I’d like to drag the bottom of some these lakes, but meth lab kit is likely piled over top of the good stuff.
 
Property rights in the Bill of Rights?
If we dont have property rights, can i have my house taken? My ???
The more recent case of Frank Meyers is a prime example. If the government wants your land, there is nothing you can do to stop them taking it. They expropriated his 90 hectare farm land to build a new location for JTF2 outside Trenton. The unit never did move there. His family had lived there for 200 years.
 
Not getting into the 'for' or 'against' argument here on the gun buyback - but - if i was advising the PM I would ensure that ever individual case of a firearm being bought back did NOT result in a financial loss to the owner, at a minimum this would be the entry point of the buyback. Why rub salt in the wound? At least back these individuals whole financially. It removes an irritant and a talking point from the opposition.

There isn't enough money in the program to buy all the guns back even at the deflated Gov offerings.

This could have been such an easy win for the Libs and really move into CPC territory.
 
There isn't enough money in the program to buy all the guns back even at the deflated Gov offerings.

This could have been such an easy win for the Libs and really move into CPC territory.
You add more money into the program.

Its a different Sheriff in town now.
 
Rumbles floating about that the Cape Breton police are recalling their police chief after he unilaterally decided to support the gun ban confiscation program without consulting his officers. Also rumours abound that he is the BIL of the local Liberal MP...

Maybe the gun confiscation has hit another snag.

Good.
 
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