The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[IKnowNothing]

I don't think that's true. My info is all anecdotal but every hunter I know has a SA Long gun of some sort.

But most of those are Winchester 100's, commercial/ sporting BAR's, Remington 742 or 7400 on the rifle side, and Auto-5's, 1100's etc on the shotgun. Then a lot of .22LR Cooey/Lakefield/ Savage 64's and the odd Ruger 10/22.

If it weren't for Quebec Carney would have a super easy path to cementing the firearms file as a poison pill issue for the CPC.

• Back off the SKS and Garand
• Remove any .22 from the OIC lists
• Codify protection for the SKS,Garand, .22's, the guns I initially listed, plus any other currently other NR firearm
• Provide some sort of grandfather provision (shift them all to restricted class with an amnesty period for people to upgrade?) to replace the buyback/ confiscation and avoid criminalizing law abiding Canadians

If the LPC left a the file as above, the number of Canadians that would actually care to relax it would be tiny (and dwindling every year), and any attempt to relax it would set up as easy attack line of Conservative's wanting to get "dangerous assault weapons" back on our streets.

 

[Haggis]

My understanding is the total numbers of guns that are supposed to turned in is dwarfing the cash put aside to provide compensation.

And that's exactly the message the Liberals are pushing. "Declare your banned guns to us now and get compensated before the money runs out." Once those guns are declared, they are forfeit. The vast majority of owners won't see a cent.

I think what they want, and what they will get may very possible be two different things.

I expect with the level of resistance to the scheme growing daily, that the Liberals will take some drastic action to accomplish the program objectives.

I don't see this Firearms stuff having the political clout, or legs, behind it that it once did.

In rural Canada it still has some life left in it as rural Canadians don't want to play along. In urban Canada, same, but with the opposite goal in mind. Urbanites "know" guns are bad and they are constantly reminded of that by the MSM.

I there are just some really loud anti-gun folks.

Don't forget well funded and influential as well as "loud".

 

[Eaglelord17]

The vast majority of hunters don't own SA long guns. They have bolt actions or single shot. The OIC banned firearms that the government knows about are owned by a very small percentage of PAL holders and many of them own more than one. Same with handguns. Those owners make up less than a quarter of all PAL holders. Handgun owners were treated benevolently by the government. Trudeau himself said that we were allowed to keep our handguns until we die with no new restrictions on how they could be legally used. How magnanimous of him.

The guns placed on the "gap list" by the secret society have not yet been banned.

I think you would be surprised by what hunters own and use.

I am in a hunter rich area, only one PAL holder I know has been unaffected by this and some of them are truly ‘fudds’.

So many firearms banned (over 2500 makes and models as they like to advertise) means it hits tons of people. There is .22s in that list (like the M1 .22). There is hunting rifles on that list, big game hunters in particular were effected (Ruger No 1., etc.). There is 5.56 semis (Ruger Mini 14s, SL-8, etc.) which I know a few hunters that liked them for hunting coyotes. There is older milsurps which hunters have been using since they became available on the market or have owned since they were widely available.

Firearms owners aren’t a monolith, they don’t only buy one specific type of firearm. Yes the media will find the most semi-auto hating hunter out there and parade them out to justify their actions, but most hunters aren’t like that.

 

[Halifax Tar]

But most of those are Winchester 100's, commercial/ sporting BAR's, Remington 742 or 7400 on the rifle side, and Auto-5's, 1100's etc on the shotgun. Then a lot of .22LR Cooey/Lakefield/ Savage 64's and the odd Ruger 10/22.

If it weren't for Quebec Carney would have a super easy path to cementing the firearms file as a poison pill issue for the CPC.

• Back off the SKS and Garand
• Remove any .22 from the OIC lists
• Codify protection for the SKS,Garand, .22's, the guns I initially listed, plus any other currently other NR firearm
• Provide some sort of grandfather provision (shift them all to restricted class with an amnesty period for people to upgrade?) to replace the buyback/ confiscation and avoid criminalizing law abiding Canadians

I think Carney is sitting on an opportunity to bridge some divisiveness and take the wind out of PP's sails. But unfortunately Que is more important.

If the LPC left a the file as above, the number of Canadians that would actually care to relax it would be tiny (and dwindling every year), and any attempt to relax it would set up as easy attack line of Conservative's wanting to get "dangerous assault weapons" back on our streets.

Firearms licensing is on the rise and that trend has been continuing for over a decade.

Canada Gun Licences Rise to New Record in 2024, Led By Ontario and Alberta – TheGunBlog.ca

TheGunBlog.ca — The number of adults in Canada with a government-approved gun licence rose to a new annual record in 2024, again defying the Liberal Party-led a

thegunblog.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

I expect with the level of resistance to the scheme growing daily, that the Liberals will take some drastic action to accomplish the program objectives.

I don't think they have the cajones for that.

In rural Canada it still has some life left in it as rural Canadians don't want to play along. In urban Canada, same, but with the opposite goal in mind. Urbanites "know" guns are bad and they are constantly reminded of that by the MSM.

Don't forget well funded and influential as well as "loud".

I think people think gun violence is bad, which I think we could all agree with, but I think the sentiment is shifting and recognizing its smuggled guns that are the problem; not you and me.

 

[Haggis]

I don't think they have the cajones for that.

They had the cajones to freeze bank accounts, enforce vaccine mandates etc. during COVID. The simple fact that they don't have enough money to properly pay for this scheme shows me that they were never serious about compensation to start with, but they are serious about confiscation. I would put nothing past this Liberal government.

I think people think gun violence is bad, which I think we could all agree with, but I think the sentiment is shifting and recognizing its smuggled guns that are the problem; not you and me.

Remember Wendy Cukier's famous line "every illegal gun started off as a legal gun."? You've got police forces saying "smuggled guns are the problem" on page 10 of the newspaper, but Poly saying "legal gun owners with issues are the bigger threat" on page 1. Who is the public going to believe?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Was looking for something else and came upon this opinion piece. Clear clickable links to references, footnotes and research. Mostly about Nathalie Provost, founder and current spokesperson for the PolySeSouvient gun-control advocacy group. Paints a pretty good representation of the purpose, modus operandi and end game. Initially, I felt they were just an activist organization, who's growth facilitated Nathalie Provost and Heidi Rathjen becoming full time employees. It's likely become their career and source of their salary. Cant shut it down, that's their paycheck. The article goes deeper though and makes more sense of operations and end states. Who is backing them and why.

Nathalie Provost & PolySeSouvient: The Illusion of Humanism, & The Weaponization of Trauma Against Constitutional Sovereignty - Skills Gap Trainer

Explore how Nathalie Provost and PolySeSouvient weaponize personal trauma to erode constitutional rights in Canada. This exposé reveals the hidden technocratic agenda behind emotional advocacy and its impact on national sovereignty, security policy, and civil liberty.

skillsgaptrainer.com

 

[IKnowNothing]

Firearms licensing is on the rise and that trend has been continuing for over a decade.

Yes - but in the situation I laid out with every passing year a smaller and smaller percentage of PAL holders would be in possession of grandfathered/amnestied firearms, fewer and fewer would ever have had a PAL when they were available for purchase, and the 2020/ OIC period would get farther and farther in the past.