The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Haggis]

Tons and tons and tons of restricted firearms were created by the LPC after 2020, and they have no idea who has them.

There are tons of reasons the police could show up at your house and coincidentally discover a newly prohibited firearm. Alarm call, welfare check, emergency evacuation, SWATing etc.

 

[Halifax Tar]

There are tons of reasons the police could show up at your house and coincidentally discover a newly prohibited firearm. Alarm call, welfare check, emergency evacuation, SWATing etc.

You are correct there are many reasons the Cops can come to my door.

Couple good videos:

 

[Lumber]

You are correct there are many reasons the Cops can come to my door.

Couple good videos:

I've heard of many people (on this site, friends and acquaintances, posts on SM) who own now-restricted firearms that are planning on saying nothing and locking their guns up somewhere deep in their basement and not touching it unless they need it for the zombie apocalypse.

Imagine if they received an email directly to them (ie naming them by name, and not just a wide email blast to gun owners) that says basically "we know you have a restricted firearm, turn it in before October 30th or else face legal consequences". I wonder, amongst these people, how many would fess-up and turn their guns in and how many would continue to play quiet and hope it blows over.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've heard of many people (on this site, friends and acquaintances, posts on SM) who own now-restricted firearms that are planning on saying nothing and locking their guns up somewhere deep in their basement and not touching it unless they need it for the zombie apocalypse.

Imagine if they received an email directly to them (ie naming them by name, and not just a wide email blast to gun owners) that says basically "we know you have a restricted firearm, turn it in before October 30th or else face legal consequences". I wonder, amongst these people, how many would fess-up and turn their guns in and how many would continue to play quiet and hope it blows over.

For me it will be interesting when the CPC again takes Gov, that will happen, and if they reverse all this what comes creeping out of the shadows.

If the Gov knows what I have, why do they need me to register anything with them ?

 

[Haggis]

Imagine if they received an email directly to them (ie naming them by name, and not just a wide email blast to gun owners) that says basically "we know you have a restricted firearm, turn it in before October 30th or else face legal consequences". I wonder, amongst these people, how many would fess-up and turn their guns in and how many would continue to play quiet and hope it blows over.

I expect QC residents might receive such a personalized correspondence from the SQ in due course.

 

[Furniture]

For me it will be interesting when the CPC again takes Gov,

I suspect the next time the CPC forms government, will be after the deadline, and they won't bother with trying to reverse the prohibitions. Maybe handguns, if they haven't been confiscated by then...

While there are a lot of firearms owners in Canada, there aren't enough in the right ridings to make firearms a topic worth risking too many votes over.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I've heard of many people (on this site, friends and acquaintances, posts on SM) who own now-restricted firearms that are planning on saying nothing and locking their guns up somewhere deep in their basement and not touching it unless they need it for the zombie apocalypse.

Imagine if they received an email directly to them (ie naming them by name, and not just a wide email blast to gun owners) that says basically "we know you have a restricted firearm, turn it in before October 30th or else face legal consequences". I wonder, amongst these people, how many would fess-up and turn their guns in and how many would continue to play quiet and hope it blows over.

If people don't turn in AR15s that are registered to them I see the CFRO simply canceling their firearm liscence.

 

[Haggis]

I expected


If people don't turn in AR15s that are registered to them I see the CFRO simply canceling their firearm liscence.

That would be my expected COA from this government. I also expect that once this particular exercise is concluded that the portal will become a revived registry for all firearms.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I suspect the next time the CPC forms government, will be after the deadline, and they won't bother with trying to reverse the prohibitions. Maybe handguns, if they haven't been confiscated by then...

While there are a lot of firearms owners in Canada, there aren't enough in the right ridings to make firearms a topic worth risking too many votes over.

Oui, c'est possible

 

[RangerRay]

If people don't turn in AR15s that are registered to them I see the CFRO simply canceling their firearm liscence.

Lumber can correct me, but I think he’s talking about the previously non-restricted, unregistered, now prohibited firearms like M14, M1, Mini-14, etc.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Anyone holding onto a former NR prohib after 30 Oct is playing a dangerous game with pretty much zero pay-off.

Depends, I know tons of people who never signed up to the long gun registry (or only signed up a few of their firearms) and ultimately won with that. Largest case of civil disobedience in Canadian history and I suspect this will join it.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Oh so basically 2 collectors

I've heard of many people (on this site, friends and acquaintances, posts on SM) who own now-restricted firearms that are planning on saying nothing and locking their guns up somewhere deep in their basement and not touching it unless they need it for the zombie apocalypse.

Imagine if they received an email directly to them (ie naming them by name, and not just a wide email blast to gun owners) that says basically "we know you have a restricted firearm, turn it in before October 30th or else face legal consequences". I wonder, amongst these people, how many would fess-up and turn their guns in and how many would continue to play quiet and hope it blows over.

The email is in my spam filter, your honour.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Depends, I know tons of people who never signed up to the long gun registry (or only signed up a few of their firearms) and ultimately won with that. Largest case of civil disobedience in Canadian history and I suspect this will join it.

One can hope.

 

[NavyShooter]

Interestingly, I have not received an email.

There it was in the spam folder...

 

[Furniture]

Depends, I know tons of people who never signed up to the long gun registry (or only signed up a few of their firearms) and ultimately won with that. Largest case of civil disobedience in Canadian history and I suspect this will join it.

I'm pretty sure the registry had lower punishments for non-compliance than posession of a prohibited device does.

Also, I suspect the government will be looking to make examples of people.

People are free to make their own choices, but people should be making the decision with a realistic understanding of the consequences if they get caught. Likey tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, loss of emoyoyment, potential jail time, and a social stigma for being a convicted criminal.

 

[Lumber]

Lumber can correct me, but I think he’s talking about the previously non-restricted, unregistered, now prohibited firearms like M14, M1, Mini-14, etc.

Yes I was mostly referring to unregistered, non-restricted but now prohibited.

I suppose if you currently own previously restricted now prohibited weapons (i.e. AR-15), AND you own previous non-restricted now prohibited weapons (i.e. M14), you might definitely be one of those target for a "visit" to confirm you aren't hiding anything...

Also, just had an extremely devious idea: since the government doesn't know (other than in maybe QC) if you own any non-restricted now prohibited weapons, they can't really send you a direct email/letter as I previously opined. But, what if they send one to you anyways? As a scare tactic. You get the letter and think, "Oh shit! DO they know about the AR-10 I have stashed away in the crawl space? Oh fuck oh fuck!!" It's all bullshit and fishing, but it may get a few more people to turn in their weapons.

Also, how the hell is the M14 prohibited but the M1 non-restricted? Oh wait, never mind...

 

[NavyShooter]

On 30 October, I'll be actioning my responsibilities to ensure I maintain compliance, and following Section 107 of the firearms act.

NS

 

[RangerRay]

Yes I was mostly referring to unregistered, non-restricted but now prohibited.

I suppose if you currently own previously restricted now prohibited weapons (i.e. AR-15), AND you own previous non-restricted now prohibited weapons (i.e. M14), you might definitely be one of those target for a "visit" to confirm you aren't hiding anything...

Also, just had an extremely devious idea: since the government doesn't know (other than in maybe QC) if you own any non-restricted now prohibited weapons, they can't really send you a direct email/letter as I previously opined. But, what if they send one to you anyways? As a scare tactic. You get the letter and think, "Oh shit! DO they know about the AR-10 I have stashed away in the crawl space? Oh fuck oh fuck!!" It's all bullshit and fishing, but it may get a few more people to turn in their weapons.

Also, how the hell is the M14 prohibited but the M1 non-restricted? Oh wait, never mind...

I thought they did ban the M1? My bad.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I thought they did ban the M1? My bad.

M1 Carbine banned, M1 Garand non-restricted. 8rds of beautiful goodness.

 

[IKnowNothing]

People are free to make their own choices, but people should be making the decision with a realistic understanding of the consequences if they get caught. Likey tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, loss of emoyoyment, potential jail time, and a social stigma for being a convicted criminal.

Also a realistic understanding of the different risk tranche's and approaches the government may take

Tier 1 Risk - Information that is in the government's hands, that they can use easily and relatively non-controversially

1. People who have registered restricteds that became prohib
2. People who had NR's or R's in that became prohib in Quebec
3. People who self report/reported listed prohibs as lost or destroyed post ban/before Oct 31.

Tier 2 Risk - Information that the government has a clear mechanism to obtain but would take work to use (1 and 2), or that they likely have but could cause major controversy to use (3)

1. People who purchased previously NR now prohib between May 18 2022 and the time they were named (Bill C71 Record keeping)
   1. People who are named as transferee on tranfer numbers from the people captured in the above
2. People who's purchasing patterns of core ammo types (.223/5.56, .308/7.62, 9mm) changed drastically with the release of any ban (a lot more work than the others, probably discard this one)
3. People who have previously NR now prohib that were listed to them on the destroyed but not really destroyed long gun registry (High River anyone?)

Under the Firearms Act:

102 (1) Subject to section 104, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, an inspector may at any reasonable time enter and inspect any place where the inspector believes on reasonable grounds ... there is a prohibited firearm