The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Retired AF Guy]

TRU is “Tactis and Rescue Unit”. SWAT.

ERT in the OPP Emergency Response Team; not a SWAT team, but rather think of them as a platoon of cops trained to work in a large group for coordinated things like searches, armed containment etc.

Some other police services use ERT to refer to their tactical teams, so it can be confusing.

Thanks!! Much appreciated.

 

[Halifax Tar]

TRU is “Tactis and Rescue Unit”. SWAT.

ERT in the OPP Emergency Response Team; not a SWAT team, but rather think of them as a platoon of cops trained to work in a large group for coordinated things like searches, armed containment etc.

Some other police services use ERT to refer to their tactical teams, so it can be confusing.

So not the Toronto Rugby Union. Phew lol

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Had to watch MSM news reporting last night, up playing the need to review Canada's gun laws, seriously downplaying the Trans component. They are trying to do the minimal talking about mental health and will soon turn it to gun control, as that avoids uncomfortable and potentially expensive and difficult solutions in the mental health field.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Had to watch MSM news reporting last night, up playing the need to review Canada's gun laws, seriously downplaying the Trans component. They are trying to do the minimal talking about mental health and will soon turn it to gun control, as that avoids uncomfortable and potentially expensive and difficult solutions in the mental health field.

They aren’t going to able to avoid it.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

They aren’t going to able to avoid it.

I expect the whole mental health field in regards to Trans issues to get turned on it's head, with these shootings and the successful lawsuits in the US by people that were "transitioned" when they were teens and now regret it. When the professionals realize their necks will be on the chopping block, they are going to "revise their findings" pretty quick.

 

[Eaglelord17]

So on the gun control component.

1) handgun transfers have been illegal since before this person hit 18 so it could not have been legally acquired to begin with for them.
2) they did not have a PAL either so the long gun could not have legally been theirs.
3) whose firearms were they, where they legally acquired at some point or were they always illegal.
4) what is a ‘modified handgun’ is it a sawed off rifle? A handgun with a magazine capacity above 10rds? A glock with a full auto switch?
5) a long gun is a pretty broad classification which could be anything from a muzzle loader to a AK-47.

More infomation is needed. What is fascinating to me though is both Wendy Cukler and the pro-firearms groups are on the same page that our laws already have all the legislation needed to deal with this, simply balls were dropped somewhere in the process.

 

[RangerRay]

I saw an SKS in the picture of the gun safe. I don’t know if it was used, but I can see that becoming the government’s next target.

 

[NavyShooter]

Rumours abound that the 'modified handgun' is actually a KRISS Vector.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Rumours abound that the 'modified handgun' is actually a KRISS Vector.

Maybe, but I doubt it.

That is a pretty niche gun. I know there was a Canadianized version, but they have been Prohibited since 2024.

If it was a Vector, it raises some interesting questions about that household.

 

[Haggis]

I saw an SKS in the picture of the gun safe. I don’t know if it was used, but I can see that becoming the government’s next target.

The SKS was always going to be banned eventually. IF an SKS was used in this killing AND/OR in Kitigan-Zibi (a first nations community) it's done.

 

[OldSolduer]

The issue is not whether the shooter was trans.

In my mind the issue is giving back deadly weapons to a woman who has a child with a known mental health and has interacted with the police more than once. Why was this allowed to happen? I understand it was a "judge" who allowed this.

Shell Lake, Saskatchewan in 1967. Murdered by a man with severe MH Issues.

Mayerthorpe. Moncton. Nova Scotia. Tumbler Ridge.


This should be the final straw.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Rumours abound that the 'modified handgun' is actually a KRISS Vector.

RCMP statement out today on FB mentions a rifle that was modified, not a pistol:

 

[Eaglelord17]

The issue is not whether the shooter was trans.

In my mind the issue is giving back deadly weapons to a woman who has a child with a known mental health and has interacted with the police more than once. Why was this allowed to happen? I understand it was a "judge" who allowed this.

Shell Lake, Saskatchewan in 1967. Murdered by a man with severe MH Issues.

Mayerthorpe. Moncton. Nova Scotia. Tumbler Ridge.


This should be the final straw.

Do they have knives in the house? A car in the driveway? Anything can be a weapon in the wrong hands.

Access should be limited but if the owner has taken proper steps to prevent access what more can be expected? We need more information before making a full judgement on the decision.

The whole restricting access to firearms for people with mental health issues compounds the issue. As much as it sounds good on paper it can also work against the goal by causing those with issues to not seek treatment.

I am surprised the shooter had a youths PAL though considering the police calls.

 

[Furniture]

Maybe, but I doubt it.

That is a pretty niche gun. I know there was a Canadianized version, but they have been Prohibited since 2024.

If it was a Vector, it raises some interesting questions about that household.

Social media has a photo of a gun safe showing a previously NR KRISS Vector beside a SKS, and a "tactical" shotgun.

The family were gun people, so it's not that odd that they would have some different firearms.

 

[Haggis]

I'm almost ashamed to admit he's my Minister. I watched that testimony and it was infuriating to see the Minister continually shift the blame for a violent act with a weapon towards the weapon. Clearly, in his mind, if guns acted in a more responsible manner, when in the hands of irresponsible people, then gun violence would be solved.

 

[OldSolduer]

The whole restricting access to firearms for people with mental health issues compounds the issue. As much as it sounds good on paper it can also work against the goal by causing those with issues to not seek treatment.

I am surprised the shooter had a youths PAL though considering the police calls.

Some MH people won't seek treatment because they think there is nothing wrong. They might even think the rest of us are all fucked up and its OUR fault.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm almost ashamed to admit he's my Minister. I watched that testimony and it was infuriating to see the Minister continually shift the blame for a violent act with a weapon towards the weapon. Clearly, in his mind, if guns acted in a more responsible manner, when in the hands of irresponsible people, then gun violence would be solved.

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It's become very obvious he doesn't believe in what he's doing. He just being a good little Liberal.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I'm almost ashamed to admit he's my Minister. I watched that testimony and it was infuriating to see the Minister continually shift the blame for a violent act with a weapon towards the weapon. Clearly, in his mind, if guns acted in a more responsible manner, when in the hands of irresponsible people, then gun violence would be solved.

Anti-firearm activists will politicize anything, so it is fair to politicize right back at them. Either the vehicle used in Vancouver during Lapu-Lapu day also fits his framing, or none of the tools do.

A common factor in many of these murders is mental imbalance. A common factor in many more is criminal activity, often gang-related. Fix the problem, not the blame. Look for the keys where they were lost.

My low regard for the "elites" and the "good people in government" continues to be well-founded.

 

[Dana381]

Some MH people won't seek treatment because they think there is nothing wrong. They might even think the rest of us are all fucked up and its OUR fault.

Also when on their meds they function decently so they begin to think they don't need the meds and stop taking them. Then they slip back into the symptoms of their condition. I have a friend who's son is schizophrenic and he can fall into this cycle. He lives with them and they monitor him closely to make sure he takes his meds. Some families are likely not as diligent as needed in this regard.