The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[KevinB]

This, plus my understanding from a briefing a couple of years ago was that any firearm permanently exported from the US cannot be re-imported back to the US. Their rules. There are always exceptions, of course. Maybe @KevinB can weigh in.

US made firearms can be re-imported provided they meet certain eligibility requirements.
Cannot be a Lend Lease item (I ran into that with my 1943 Ithaca 1911A1 in Iraq) as the USG views them still as theirs.
Cannot be an automatic, (or CA - as we don't have CA laws here, we use once a MG, always a MG).
*certain exemptions exist - but not for individuals.
Cannot have any foreign parts installed (TBH not sure how they check that).
Foreign made firearms imported into the US, then exported from the US to a 3rd party cannot be re-imported (unless it's a curio/relic and importer needs to be a Museum or similar)

Foreign Made firearms imported into Canada direct - fall under the 1989 Import Ban, so pretty much a no go, unless they are bolt action rifles, or pump shotguns. Pistols have a lot of issues - requiring "target sights" and some other stuff, that I don't recall OTTOMH

Even if some firearms are legal to import, it is however a PITA, I ended up selling most of my collection in Canada rather than importing it, as the costs made it easier to buy new down here. OFC now most of that stuff would be prohibited up there -- so YMMV.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Wonder if I send my DPMS AR to a FFL dealer in the US, my son-inlaw could then get it from them as soon as he passes the checks?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Requirements for exporting prohibited firearms

The Export and Import Permits Act (EIPA) places strict controls on the export of prohibited firearms and their specially designed components or parts and other weapons and devices. Under the Act, these items may only be exported from Canada to countries on the Automatic Firearms Country Control...

www.international.gc.ca

Basically even if the US was to allow it into country you need a exporter with the proper licences, a importer with the proper US licences and approval of the export.

Pretty much they have made it a non-starter.

IRUNGUNS can both import and export. They do all the paperwork. Some caveats apply re: Chinese and Russian firearms, etc.

I Run Guns

importing into the CANADA importing into US

www.irunguns.ca

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think Joe Salter can export, as well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

IRUNGUNS can both import and export. They do all the paperwork. Some caveats apply re: Chinese and Russian firearms, etc.

I Run Guns

importing into the CANADA importing into US

www.irunguns.ca

You beat me to it!

I think Joe Salter can export, as well.

I didn't know that. Thank you.

 

[Haggis]

Can't wait for the LPC press release about a small number of fringe activist protesting against the gun grab and showing complete disdain for the government's attempts to ensure public safety in Québec City today.

 

[Good2Golf]

The current MND is the former PS Minister and the co-architect of all this stupidity. The same lack of access to the portal would also likely impact other federal employees OUTCAN such as GAC, CBSA, DFAIT and snowbirds as well.

You forgot CIDA, Haggis.

 

[Haggis]

You forgot CIDA, Haggis.

Thanks. I'll delete my account now.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Can't wait for the LPC press release about a small number of fringe activist protesting against the gun grab and showing complete disdain for the government's attempts to ensure public safety in Québec City today.

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Tried to find it on CBC news, not a sign of it.

Unfortunately this looks like it shall be like the giant protest on capital hill in the 90s (over 10k attendees), largely ignored by the media because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Guelph PD say nope.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027492612404380117

 

[Haggis]

Tried to find it on CBC news, not a sign of it.

Unfortunately this looks like it shall be like the giant protest on capital hill in the 90s (over 10k attendees), largely ignored by the media because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

Well, the Toronto (Red) Star's headline read: "Our weapons are not for sale", playing nicely into the LPC narrative that legal gun owners and their sporting equipment are dangerous.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Well, the Toronto (Red) Star's headline read: "Our weapons are not for sale", playing nicely into the LPC narrative that legal gun owners and their sporting equipment are dangerous.

Their verbiage has been noted:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027954425164120284

 

[Eaglelord17]

Well, the Toronto (Red) Star's headline read: "Our weapons are not for sale", playing nicely into the LPC narrative that legal gun owners and their sporting equipment are dangerous.

The papers are going to sensationalize whatever they can. Legally they aren’t wrong, every firearm is legally a weapon, and every firearm is dangerous, that is what gives it value.

The fact that your average firearms owner is less dangerous than your average citizen is lost on the general public though.

Their verbiage has been noted:

They all play games with verbiage.

Look at the program name ‘assault style firearms compensation program’. Most of the firearms in the program are semi-autos. There is also plenty of single shot rifles in said program. But ‘assault style’ is undefined and scary sounding which sells well to a ignorant public.

A AR-15 is a assault style weapon in civilian hands, yet a patrol carbine in police hands.

It is all about who is pushing the narrative which is why using accurate terminology matters.

 

[RangerRay]

That headline looks like it was a direct quote from one of the protesters. If that’s the case, they are the one that gave the Star the headline.

 

[Haggis]

That headline looks like it was a direct quote from one of the protesters. If that’s the case, they are the one that gave the Star the headline.

From what I was told, the original article headline said "guns" and was later changed to "weapons".

 

[The Bread Guy]

Tried to find it on CBC news, not a sign of it.

You're just not looking back far enough - try 2016 Haven't seen CBC English coverage of the weekend action, either. Franco service had this (with no crowd numbers) ...

Les propriétaire d’armes à feu font entendre leur mécontentement

Des manifestants se sont massés devant l’Assemblée nationale samedi afin de faire valoir leur opposition au programme fédéral de rachat d’armes à feu.

ici.radio-canada.ca

... while The Canadian Press talked about a "several thousand" of protesters here ...

‘Our guns are not for sale!’: Pro-gun protestors rally at Quebec National Assembly

Several thousand pro-gun protesters gathered Saturday in front of the National Assembly to demand that the Quebec government withdraw from the federal government’s buyback program. Their message: “Our guns are not for sale!” The protesters accuse Ottawa of unfairly targeting law-abiding gun...

montreal.citynews.ca

... appearing to take a fair bit from from the story generated by the French side of their service:

«Nos armes ne sont pas à vendre!», manifestation contre le rachat d’armes à Ottawa

Les manifestants accusent Ottawa de cibler injustement les propriétaires d’armes respectueux de la loi.

www.ledevoir.com

Based on CP's coverage & distribution, either 1) CBC doesn't have a massive English-language contingent in Quebec City, especially on the weekends (although they could have done a CP and done an English version), or 2) CBC English's borg said the anti-gun-control protest didn't meet the narrative control paramaters set up by "Those Guys," so no coverage for them I'd bet 90-10 on the former, but it's all in the eye of the beholder.

As I said previously, I was surprised to see this in Quebec, but as the only province saying, "yeah, we'll help," it makes more sense to me now. Also, I'm still surprised at the scale of turnout, given the (HUGELY broad strokes) perception that QC is more "European" in its sensibilities about such issues than much of the rest of English Canada.

 

[Haggis]

Ottawa Police Service is out. Posted on their FB page.

 

[Haggis]

The Toronto Star and others have amended their headlines blaming their use of the word "weapons" on "poor translation".

 

[RangerRay]

The Toronto Star and others have amended their headlines blaming their use of the word "weapons" on "poor translation".

Yeah, looking at the French articles above, I can see “armes” being translated as “guns” or “weapons”…

 

[Haggis]

Yeah, looking at the French articles above, I can see “armes” being translated as “guns” or “weapons”…

Selectively, if you ask me. They have a ton of big shiny heads there to pruf reid stuff, but they have to push the red narrative and do damage to the cause of lawful gun owners. I'd love to know why they really changed it.