The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Halifax Tar]

Now that the LPC has their coveted majority, they have re-started the business ASFCP, despite that, according to many gun advocacy groups, not a single retailer has yet to receive a penny from the original stock destroyed.

Business now have from April 20, 2026 at noon EDT until the end business on June 4 2026 to declare any not-previously declared now-prohibited firearms for potential compensation subject to available funds.

A few weeks ago I alluded that there might be some changes coming for the ASFCP. The hints I was given was that the program would become more favourable to gun owners, This is not what I expected, but here we go.

Ya I fear this next four (3?) years may almost end private firearms ownership in Canada. Single barrel break opens is all we will be allowed to have by 2029, if that.

 

[OldSolduer]

Ya I fear this next four (3?) years may almost end private firearms ownership in Canada. Single barrel break opens is all we will be allowed to have by 2029, if that.

The greasy way Carney gained his majority makes me wonder what was offered to the floor crossers. And some have not the wit to realize what you're saying might be true.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Ya I fear this next four (3?) years may almost end private firearms ownership in Canada. Single barrel break opens is all we will be allowed to have by 2029, if that.

I doubt anything to that extreme. I still wouldn’t be surprised if they reversed course a bit.

Remember they don’t have to change any laws to ban all firearms in country, thanks to the OIC portion of the law. They can ban them all with a minority or a majority.

 

[Furniture]

Ya I fear this next four (3?) years may almost end private firearms ownership in Canada. Single barrel break opens is all we will be allowed to have by 2029, if that.

I think they know they have squeezed as much from that file as they can for now. I doubt we'll see any major changes, but we definitely won't see a reversion of the Trudeau era policies. His majority isn't that big, so he can't risk alienating too many of the diehard antis in the party.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think they know they have squeezed as much from that file as they can for now. I doubt we'll see any major changes, but we definitely won't see a reversion of the Trudeau era policies. His majority isn't that big, so he can't risk alienating too many of the diehard antis in the party.

Or push so hard he alienates his rural caucus…

 

[Haggis]

I think they know they have squeezed as much from that file as they can for now. I doubt we'll see any major changes, but we definitely won't see a reversion of the Trudeau era policies. His majority isn't that big, so he can't risk alienating too many of the diehard antis in the party.

Another consideration is now that the Liberals have a new DEI MP in QC, Provost is no longer the QC "Golden Child' and may not wield the influence she once had.

 

[Haggis]

As a correction to my post #5443, the GoC claims that $22M has been paid out to retailers as a result of the first collection.

 

[Haggis]

More information from an industry partner.

When the individual gun grab came up dramatically short, the CSAAA approached the government and asked that the remaining funds from the individual gun grab be re-allocated to the retailer gun grab. That being said, this renewed retailer gun grab may still fall well short of compensating retailers fairly. Hence the statement in the PS stating that this re-opened plan is "subject to available funds".

 

[Halifax Tar]

Dont tease me...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2049260174154576313

 

[Fishbone Jones]

BC Doubles Down on Gun Laws
If you live on the Wet Coast, and dabble in firearms, paintball or airsoft, you have a whole new set of firearms laws (provincial) you need to be cognizant of.

It might help to listen to our friend Ian Runkle break the legislation down before reading anything -

Cracking down on organized crime, gun violence​

New regulations for Firearm Violence Prevention Act will help keep communities safer -​

Cracking down on organized crime, gun violence

New regulations for Firearm Violence Prevention Act will help keep communities safe

news.gov.bc.ca

What does the FVPA do?​

The FVPA targets gang and gun violence by:

• Regulating low-velocity firearms that are capable of causing serious bodily injury and imitation firearms that could reasonably be mistaken for actual firearms
• Establishing new offences for unsafe use of firearms, low-velocity firearms and imitation firearms
• Prohibiting firearms, low-velocity firearms, and imitation firearms in designated places, including schools, post-secondary institutions, courts, places of worship, hospitals, and property used to provide child care for which a licence is required under the Community Care and Assisted Living Act
• Authorizing the impoundment of motor vehicles used to illegally transport firearms or flee from police
• Providing civil liability protection to specified professionals who report the potential for firearm violence by an individual to the police
• Strengthening aspects of the Body Armour Control Act and Armoured Vehicle and After-Market Compartment Control Act

Actual Bill - Bill 4 – 2021: Firearm Violence Prevention Act

 

[Halifax Tar]

Are airsoft guns a big concern ?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Yes. In B.C. criminals use them to hurt feelings.

 

[Furniture]

Are airsoft guns a big concern ?

When you're being threatened by people driving up to you and waving around guns, you don't have time to do an in depth analysis to determine if it's airsoft or a real gun. So, criminals use them to intimidate, and when stopped by police they don't have real guns on them.

BC's new laws seem to be target at that sort of behaviours, though I suspect people doing innocent things will also get caught-up in the mess as well.

 

[Halifax Tar]

When you're being threatened by people driving up to you and waving around guns, you don't have time to do an in depth analysis to determine if it's airsoft or a real gun. So, criminals use them to intimidate, and when stopped by police they don't have real guns on them.

BC's new laws seem to be target at that sort of behaviours, though I suspect people doing innocent things will also get caught-up in the mess as well.

I am not an air softer, this happens often enough ?

 

[Furniture]

I am not an air softer, this happens often enough ?

I'm guessing so... The lower mainland has some serious organized crime issues.

 

[KevinB]

When you're being threatened by people driving up to you and waving around guns, you don't have time to do an in depth analysis to determine if it's airsoft or a real gun. So, criminals use them to intimidate, and when stopped by police they don't have real guns on them.

Shouldn't matter if it is a live firearm or not, if it is being used to threaten it shouldn't affect the results.

BC's new laws seem to be target at that sort of behaviours, though I suspect people doing innocent things will also get caught-up in the mess as well.

Like any gun law.

 

[Furniture]

Shouldn't matter if it is a live firearm or not, if it is being used to threaten it shouldn't affect the results.

True, and these changes are being made to close loopholes people have been using to get away with crimes. At least according to the article that was posted.

It seems a bit excessive to me, but I'm guessing there is at least some rational behind the changes, because they are so specific.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

When you're being threatened by people driving up to you and waving around guns, you don't have time to do an in depth analysis to determine if it's airsoft or a real gun. So, criminals use them to intimidate, and when stopped by police they don't have real guns on them.

BC's new laws seem to be target at that sort of behaviours, though I suspect people doing innocent things will also get caught-up in the mess as well.

This act also puts a big chill on getting kids to handle air rifles and such. I don't see gangs using churches to much, but it may make it more difficult for Cadet programs to run air rifle ranges in churches and schools which they rent space from.

 

[Eaglelord17]

This act also puts a big chill on getting kids to handle air rifles and such. I don't see gangs using churches to much, but it may make it more difficult for Cadet programs to run air rifle ranges in churches and schools which they rent space from.

The ‘and property used to provide child care for which a licence is required under the Community Care and Assisted Living Act’ part is a large red flag for me.

Doing a very quick google search anyone running a home daycare with more than two kids not your own needs to be a part of that. So if my wife runs a daycare out of our home for say 3 kids I can’t own firearms, no matter how well secured and far away from the situation they are.

Replica firearms are already illegal, however even just reading my local police beat airsoft or bb pistols are very common for criminals to hold and threaten with, and since they are firearms they can look like firearms, they aren’t ‘replicas’.

That all being said it doesn’t change the criminals in any way. This same government is the one who fueled the drug crisis in the province with their ‘legalization experiment’. I don’t trust they have a single clue as to what is needed to actually deal with crime in the province.

 

[Haggis]

I didn't take a detailed look at this legislation yet, but at first blush there appears to be come overlap with existing Crim Code offences such as using an imitation firearm (s. 85) and possession for a dangerous purpose (s. 88). More later after work.