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The need for "Castles"

Kirkhill

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On a couple of threads discussing expeditionary forces the notion of the "Castle" has been broached.  The Castle as a permanent forward operating base, a refuge for troops operating in the area.

This, together with articles about the Superdome and NO Convention Centre as refuges of last resort (that may or may not have been stocked with supplies that may or may not have been actively denied to the denizens as a matter of policy), and a comment about the Moss Park armoury in Toronto to be utilized as "homeless shelter" prompted some ganglia in the grey matter to fire simultaneously.

Castles in our society have gone out of favour.  Perhaps because they are associated with military dominance and warlords.  Amongst even them they have declined in favour because modern weapons have made them less viable.  They still need to be actively defended against military threats.

However Castles have not historically  been just military bases.  They have also been refuges.

Is there a need to start envisaging our communities not just as a market place surrounded by workers, but perhaps also as refuges sheltering citizens?  Is there a need to start thinking in terms of democratic castles?

I started thinking of the value of the Superdome, and the convention centre and the squandered opportunity they presented.
Then I thought of the value of building similar facilities in every city, at tax payer's expense - renting them out to sports teams in the meantime
This lead to the notion of the parade ground as an alternative use for those types of facilities - essentially very large armouries.
That led further to the notion of armouries as refuges, as in the case of Moss Park (by the way a Permanent Homeless Shelter is not compatible with a multi-use public space and refuge).
That led still further to the notion of schools as natural gathering points, both for arriving troops and emergency personnel but also local residents.
That led still further to the notion of designing rights of way to connect schools, armouries, stadia, arenas, police and fire stations to hospitals by "hardened" secure transportation systems to hospitals.
Finally it led to the thought that: Should all our public spaces be built first of all to withstand the most likely natural disasters and permanently stocked with 14 days worth of rations and supplies?

More than an army, navy or air force, more than more teachers per student, more than higher wages for nurses, more than research on the sex life of the tsetse fly in Lower Slobbovia, isn't that a better expenditure of available dollars?

This coming from a capitalist that recognizes the cost and value of monumental public works - like roads, schools, buildings etc.  Money spent on such projects is similar to spending time in your own backyard.  You may trade favours with your wife and kids to get specific tasks done but they don't actually impact the overall economy of the family.  No money need necessarily be spent outside of the community, outside of the family.
 
What kind of man are you, if you don't consider your home your castle?

Hmph.  Hang your head in shame.
 
My home is my castle mate,  ;D

I just consider myself suitably conflicted.  Variously a conservative with socialist tendencies and a socialist with conservative tendencies.  Somebody posted a test to determine relative proportions of libertarianism, authoritarianism, socialism and capitalism.  I landed squarely in the cross-hairs.  As I said then, it is both a curse and benefit to be able to see both sides.  ;)

Cheers.
 
The answer lies in a phrase that I've seen kicking around the web lately: "moral hazard".  The clearer it is to people that someone else is taking precautions on their behalf, the less they will do to safeguard their own well-being.  I would support spending public money on an information campaign promoting self-reliance and preparation (practical and mental).
 
One of the problems becomes that of stockpiling stores "for a rainy day" ... and then the temptation "oh, it won't hurt if I just nibble ..."
And, there's the simple task of stock rotation - expiry dates, what to do with consumables ... and simple cost.

Also, memory fades quickly after any given emergency/disaster - after Hurricane Hazel, great effort was expended to mitigate subsequent repeat events ... but ... look what happened recently - one might argue the lessons of Hurricane Hazel had been ... dimmed by time ... ?
 
Brad, I don't disagree with that.  14 days rations on hand at home, 72 hours for the car and a place to go all make sense to me. (72 hours, the car and a place to go I got).

But.

The moral hazard bit seems to be problematic, like all moral questions.

Do you let the idiots die in a cess pool or do you drive them out on the end of a bayonet?

Do you open up the available stocks of food and water in the Superdome and Convention center, pre positioned by the Red Cross, or do you make things uncomfortable so that people will be clamouring to get out of the "refuge"?

I don't know.  I do know that even with a decent income there are some catastrophes I will not be able to protect my family from on my own.  Baker isn't far from my front yard and we're on the only high ground between the Nicomekl and Sumas.  Given a zero warning event evacuation is likely to become problematic.

I do accept that these questions need to be put before the event, hashed out and the results published.  With adequate information I can make an informed decision.  And if that information indicates that the risk in the neighbourhood is too high, heck, I just found another reason to move to my house on the prairie.   :D

On the subject of making informed decisions in the absence of pressure - why on earth would the emergency generators in New Orleans hospitals be flooded?  How simple it would have been to put the generators on the top floor and build the hospital above a five storey parking garage - above the surface level of the Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi.

When creating refuges locally, those are the types of decisions that I am talking about.  Not all of them mean building bomb-proof, reinforced bunkers.  Just evaluating local circumstances and making adjustments to suit instead of adopting the international cookie cutter solution in all cases.

Vancouver's condos likely have that in common with the New Orleans hospitals.  They were built to conform to standards that were developed for some place else.

As to moral hazard?  What about community?
 
Kirkhill said:
Brad, I don't disagree with that. 14 days rations on hand at home, 72 hours for the car and a place to go all make sense to me. (72 hours, the car and a place to go I got).

Don't forget an M4 - obviously essential for survival these days.  If that isn't available, a good ole 12-gauge should do the trick.

Law and order is a "higher order" good - like electricity and what not.  As a higher order good, it is usually the first to go and the last to come back online in a disaster/crisis.  Planning for these types of situations should involve planning around doing "higher order" things for yourself.
 
"Moral hazard" is an odd term apparently popular in the insurance community.  It doesn't mean what most laymen would assume.  It has nothing to do with morality as you and I likely would conceive.  It refers to the unintended additional risk assumed by Party A when Party A undertakes obligations to mitigate Party B's imprudence.

A commonly cited example is that once a person carries fire insurance, he is thought to be less likely to be fire safety-conscious.  The "moral hazard" is the additional risk that the insurance company now faces due to lessened vigilance on the part of the insured.  It's a simple enough and long-recognized facet of human behaviour: the more you do for people, the less they will do for themselves.

Regarding the morality of the situation, I will return to my usual cantankerous and selfish libertarian principles: people inherently have the moral authority and free will to assume risk.  I have some sympathy for ill luck, but not much for those who tempt the fates.

By all means provide the convoy of buses 72 hours in advance and invite evacuees, with or without a strong overtone of insistence.  But let those who choose to remain do so, with the implied understanding that they may or may not receive assistance later depending on the old resources vs requirements equation.  Also, don't encourage people to believe that Big Government will without fail ride to their rescue before, during, or after any catastrophic event.
 
Kirkhill said:
Do you let the idiots die in a cess pool or do you drive them out on the end of a bayonet?

Sounds like a game show question: I'll go with the first option, Alex, for $500.
 
Castles? I'll get my serfs on it right away.

I agree with building codes that take into account local conditions. I would also like to see independent electricity production using solar and wind power. Perhaps even a home water purification system.
 
Brad: Thanks for educating me on "moral hazard".  As was obvious I misunderstood the concept.  I get the definition now.  It does present an interesting conundrum.  Help and you assume responsibility so the other party neglects their own responsibilities.  On the other hand, can you NOT help?

Getting back to my original point though.  When designing a community, and a lot of people choose to live in communities (my wife for one) while others prefer a degree of isolation (me for another - interesting bed-time conversations), wouldn't it make sense to design the community, to set engineering standards based on analysis of local hazards.  Perhaps the insurance companies might be appreciative if they weren't having to pay out quite so often for quite so many disasters.  And as for making schools and public spaces "disaster resistant" - thus not likely to fall in on my off-spring (the seed is getting kind of old and scarce these days, don't know if could find another crop) - they then become useful refuges.  Should they be stocked with water and rations?  I would like to think that they could look after the kids if a disaster happened during school hours.  Water and rations for the neighbourhood?  If they are not on the ground then they will have to be flown in at greater cost to the taxpayer and perhaps less effectively.

Life is so much easier when I don't have to worry about me family and neighbours.  That house on the prairies continues to look attractive.

By the way edadian, I wouldn't rely too much on wind.  Even in the most "reliable" wind areas - like Alberta and the Danish coast - windmills are only about 25 to 30% efficient.  You'd have more luck relying on a geothermal heat pump, passive solar and photovoltaics for electricity.  IMHO.    A nice little Slowpoke reactor would be better yet. ;D

And whiskey - you win the coconut (less bad press I guess- I notice that the only one opting for the second option is the Mayor The governor don't want it, the police, the Guard and the Army have said they won't do it)

Cheers.
 
"Help and you assume responsibility so the other party neglects their own responsibilities."

That summarizes the concept in plain language very nicely.
 
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