The Prime Minister and the PMO - 2019

[Lumber]

However, this is multiple ethics scandals/violations all poorly handled in less than 1 mandate. Almost all of Trudeau's issue have pointed to either naivety/stupidity/or complete disregard for rules. With a couple exceptions, most of Harper's issues were policies people disagreed with, typical "hidden agenda" BS or people with terrible personalities like Julian Fantino.

While I still don't think this is Sponsorship Scandal level, I do think it is more apt to compare the SNC-Lavalin debauchery to the Sponsorship Scandal than to the Duffy affair.

Harper and the CPC got voted out because of their policies and personalities, not because of any one particular scandal.

I actually kind of liked Harper, and I'm rather enjoying some of his current work, but I was really starting to get uncomfortable with having the CPC in power. Now if only Pierre Poilievre would go away....

 

[Jed]

The laymen have no damn what the "senior parliamentary secretary" is or does, let alone who Gerald Butts is. Only those actually interested in politics will actually give two whiffs about Gerald Butts.

Quebec will appreciate the PM trying to do a solid for Quebec, and continue to vote LPC.

The maritimes will kowtow, and vote LPC.

Ontario will be split. Some will care enough about this "scandal" to switch to voting CPC. Some will care about the scandal, but not enough to switch their votes. Finally, another, probably larger group, will not care at all and continue to vote LPC.

The prairies will continue to vote CPC.

BC may see a loss for the LPC, but likely it will go to the NDP.

So, some sliding for the LPC, possibly even a minority government if the NDP make enough gains in BC and the CPC make more gains than expected in Ontario, but overall the PM stays the PM.

And the Quebec / Ontario Elitist mafia will rise above the people and Western Canada will say , what the hay, business as usual? I don't think so.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Of course he does. Believe victims, except when he's the aggressor.

PMO denies Trudeau was hostile to Liberal MP

OTTAWA - A spokesman for the prime minister's office says Justin Trudeau had "emotional" conversations with Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes, but denies her claims the encounters were "hostile" or that Trudeau yelled at her.

Caesar-Chavannes told the Globe and Mail in an interview Trudeau was angry when she told him on Feb. 12 of her plans to announce she was not reoffering in the October federal election.

She alleges he yelled at her in that conversation and that she responded by shouting back at him, and says the prime minister later apologized.

Caesar-Chavannes also detailed another encounter with Trudeau in the House of Commons a week later in which she describes him as acting hostile toward her.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/pmo-denies-trudeau-was-hostile-to-liberal-mp/ar-BBUzxmY


This calls for an apology to the...

*Spins wheel*

Secwepemc tribe!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

No apology.

She just experienced things differently.

 

[OldSolduer]

Could our Dear PM Sunny Ways be a narcissist?

 

[Good2Golf]

The PM doesn’t get to decide how an MP interpreted his response to her. 

Rule #1 in Commumications:  it is the communicator’s responsibility to ensure the communicatee receives the message, tone and content as intended. 

His inability to properly convey his message, including his tone, is not her shortcoming—it is his.  Full stop.

G2G

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The PM doesn’t get to decide how an MP interpreted his response to her. 

Rule #1 in Commumications:  it is the communicator’s responsibility to ensure the communicatee receives the message, tone and content as intended. 

His inability to properly convey his message, including his tone, is not her shortcoming—it is his.  Full stop.

G2G

Please excuse my sarcasm. I thought the whistle emoji would have sufficed.

 

[Good2Golf]

Please excuse my sarcasm. I thought the whistle emoji would have sufficed.

I was agreeing/reinforcing the thought. 

Cheers
G2G

 

[Haggis]

No apology.

In fact, the article quoted stated he later apologized.  It's all good.  Can we move on, now.  Nothing to see here, Mr. Norman. Move along.  Ms Wilson-Raybould, Ms Philpott, quit loitering.  Nothing to see....follow the Sunny Way, please.

 

[Jed]

So the National Post has published an articled reporting that an international body is investigating SNC-Lavalin for bribery now. Great. Too bad Canada’s RCMP is so incapable of doing the job. What is the deal here anyway? Are they in the tank for the PM and the Liberal majority party or what?

 

[QV]

An international body announced Monday it is monitoring allegations that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his office attempted to politically interfere in the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin, which if true could put Canada in violation of a multilateral anti-bribery agreement.

The 36-country Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development, which includes the United States, the United Kingdom, France and others said Monday it would “closely monitor” investigations into the SNC-Lavalin affair by the House of Commons justice committee and the federal ethics commissioner.

“The OECD Working Group on Bribery is encouraged by these processes, and notes that the Canadian authorities stress that they are transparent and independent,” a statement reads. “The Working Group recognizes Canada’s willingness to keep it fully informed of developments in the proceedings, including at its next meeting in June 2019.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/oecd-announces-it-is-monitoring-snc-lavalin-scandal-raising-prospect-canada-has-violated-international-anti-bribery-agreement

I wonder, was this all worth it for the LPC?

 

[Rifleman62]

I don't believe we know if the RCMP is investigating the topic (political interference) here or not. The RCMP is investigating SNC for other matters.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/snc-lavalin-still-under-investigation-from-rcmp-in-quebec-1.5016315

Lavalin's legal troubles aren't limited to charges from federal authorities, as the RCMP is working with prosecutors in Quebec in an investigation into a bridge renovation project.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Slightly off topic. Every time I see a picture of the SNC lobby, it's being secured by RCMP. Even federal buildings use Commissionaires. What is so important that SNC pays for RCMP security? I'm sure it's allowed, if they pay full price. It just seems to be a waste of Canadian's resources.

If we can send RCMP out as rent-a-cops and string them along the border, 24/7, as escorts for illegal aliens, do we really require all that we have?

What other priorities and investigations are being hampered by renting out our police.

Is it normal to do something like this? I know our municipal guys do it, but they are on overtime and not on regular duty. I wonder if it's the same here.

 

[Remius]

Slightly off topic. Every time I see a picture of the SNC lobby, it's being secured by RCMP. Even federal buildings use Commissionaires. What is so important that SNC pays for RCMP security? I'm sure it's allowed, if they pay full price. It just seems to be a waste of Canadian's resources.

If we can send RCMP out as rent-a-cops and string them along the border, 24/7, as escorts for illegal aliens, do we really require all that we have?

What other priorities and investigations are being hampered by renting out our police.

Is it normal to do something like this? I know our municipal guys do it, but they are on overtime and not on regular duty. I wonder if it's the same here.

If you are referring to these photos:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/snc-lavalin-hit-with-1-65-billion-class-action-lawsuit-1.807441

That is when they were raided by the RCMP.  Notice the private security at the back on the right.

No it is not normal for the RCMP to be rent a cops for organisations like this. And certainly not in Montreal where the city police are more likely than not to do paid duty gigs for things like concerts, hockey games and the occasional Costco traffic duty on saturdays.

The RCMP have guidelines on when they can get Extra Duty Pay.  What you are seeing in those pics is not one of them unless those officers worked over lunch, were brought in from somewhere else or worked beyond their normal schedule.  There are other times as well where EDP would be approved but rest assured that RCMP officers are not acting as commissionaires for SNC.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Cheers.

 

[brihard]

Slightly off topic. Every time I see a picture of the SNC lobby, it's being secured by RCMP. Even federal buildings use Commissionaires. What is so important that SNC pays for RCMP security? I'm sure it's allowed, if they pay full price. It just seems to be a waste of Canadian's resources.

The photos you're referring to of uniformed RCMP in the SNC office lobby are in fact uniformed members there as scene security to assist in the execution of search warrants. Quite the opposite to being hired by SNC Lavalin to guard their offices. When a search warrant is executed of a corporate complex it would not be at all unusual to have uniformed personnel on scene to control movement in and out and to prevent interference with or obstruction of the search. If it's RCMP, it's because it's an RCMP investigation. If it were a warrant by Montreal Police or Surete du Quebec, you would see their people there in uniform instead. I'm sure SNC would rather they not be there in such situations, but that's not their call to make. Rent-a-cop security versus executing a search warrant is admittedly a pretty subtle nuance, but I'd be happy to be of further help in understanding if any confusion remains.

And of course with that assumption cleared up for you, I'm sure you can sleep more easily on the rest of it.

(Edit to add: I posted this before Remius beefed up his reply with added detail; not my intention to double-tap a point already made)

 

[Remius]

Cheers.

Edited my response for more detail. Thanks FJ.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If SNC doesn't like it I'm sure they could always make some calls to the PMO to try and make the matter go away  ;D

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The photos you're referring to of uniformed RCMP in the SNC office lobby are in fact uniformed members there as scene security to assist in the execution of search warrants. Quite the opposite to being hired by SNC Lavalin to guard their offices. When a search warrant is executed of a corporate complex it would not be at all unusual to have uniformed personnel on scene to control movement in and out and to prevent interference with or obstruction of the search. If it's RCMP, it's because it's an RCMP investigation. If it were a warrant by Montreal Police or Surete du Quebec, you would see their people there in uniform instead. I'm sure SNC would rather they not be there in such situations, but that's not their call to make. Rent-a-cop security versus executing a search warrant is admittedly a pretty subtle nuance, but I'd be happy to be of further help in understanding if any confusion remains.

And of course with that assumption cleared up for you, I'm sure you can sleep more easily on the rest of it.

(Edit to add: I posted this before Remius beefed up his reply with added detail; not my intention to double-tap a point already made)

Remius' explanation was perfect. Factual without condescension. Thanx.

 

[211RadOp]

PMO denies 'hostility' in Trudeau's interactions with Liberal MP

CBC News · Posted: Mar 09, 2019 12:34 PM ET | Last Updated: March 9

The Prime Minister's Office says there was "absolutely no hostility" from Justin Trudeau towards Liberal MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes, despite allegations she's made against him.

The Whitby, Ont., MP says she was met with anger and hostility from the prime minister after she informed him she would not be seeking re-election in October.

Caesar-Chavannes made the announcement last weekend, but informed Trudeau weeks earlier on Feb. 12.

It was around that time the negative encounters happened, the MP first told the Globe and Mail.

Because of Jody Wilson-Raybould's fresh resignation from cabinet, she told the Globe that Trudeau had asked her to wait for her own announcement and that he was worried about the optics of having two women of colour leave at the same time.

"He was yelling. He was yelling that I didn't appreciate him, that he'd given me so much," Caesar-Chavannes told that newspaper.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-celina-caesar-chavannes-hostility-1.5050129