The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Quirky]

Yup. Absolutely. All the Conservatives' fault......

They are both idiots.

 

[OldSolduer]

At this rate the CF 18s will be eligible for CPP and OAS if and when they are retired....

 

[Good2Golf]

At this rate the CF 18s will be eligible for CPP and OAS if and when they are retired....

;D  #chuckleofthefay

 

[MarkOttawa]

Matthew Fisher tweets:
https://twitter.com/mfisheroverseas/status/1009914586475220994

Matthew Fisher
‏@mfisheroverseas

Stupid, but quite possible with this govt. Only last week solid Lib source said fighter jet buy would be totally fair. US retaliation against CDN aerospace/defence industries would be ferocious/create extreme interoperability issues with US in NORAD/NATO

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Fishbone Jones]

We should change the title.

Something like The RCAF's Clapped Out Previous Generation Used CF-18 Addition.

 

[YZT580]

And all totally avoidable.  Tariffs were due to our serving as a conduit for cheap chinese steel into the U.S. via Canadian ports to avoid U.S. tariffs on it. Trudeau's refused to stop the procedure for fear of causing anxiety to the Chinese.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And all totally avoidable.  Tariffs were due to our serving as a conduit for cheap chinese steel into the U.S. via Canadian ports to avoid U.S. tariffs on it. Trudeau's refused to stop the procedure for fear of causing anxiety to the Chinese.

You just exploded a bunch of heads here. Trump is evil and Trudeau is a saint, or so some would have you believe.

 

[Good2Golf]

And all totally avoidable.  Tariffs were due to our serving as a conduit for cheap chinese steel into the U.S. via Canadian ports to avoid U.S. tariffs on it. Trudeau's refused to stop the procedure for fear of causing anxiety to the Chinese.

So if you say it, it must be true?

Canada targets dumped steel from countries like China

What? March 2018? Before Trump’s pre-G7 launch of the steel tariffs? Craziness!

Only head’s exploding are people making up their own convenient alternate facts or those supporting them, and getting caught in their bombast.

:yawn:

G2G

 

[QV]

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[YZT580]

Check the date.  Our taking the dumping seriously only took place a few days before Trump imposed the tariffs.  The Americans got tired of waiting for some form of action since this has been going on for a long period of time.  Ironic that we have allowed cheap Chinese steel to weaken our own industry to the extent that most of the major mills in Hamilton are either closed, closing, or have reduced staff by the thousands but our action leader only took action when forced to make a showing by Trump. 

 

[Good2Golf]

Changing your story from “taking no action” to “not taking action fast enough.”

Got it.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Basically the Liberals took no real action until the Tariff threat forced them to. They tried to play both sides of the coin and were called on it.

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/montreal-gazette/20180327/282097752254033

 

[Good2Golf]

So now it’s “took no real action”...somewhere between “took no action” and “didn’t take action fast enough.”

Got it.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

As you know, governments love to be seen doing "something" even if it's really nothing of substance. The Liberals are masters of this, being far better lairs than the PC/CPC ever were. JT and company thought they could squeak through pleasing Xi and not getting strafed by DT. Their weak dodge did not work.

 

[Good2Golf]

As you know, governments love to be seen doing "something" even if it's really nothing of substance. The Liberals are masters of this, being far better lairs than the PC/CPC ever were. JT and company thought they could squeak through pleasing Xi and not getting strafed by DT. Their weak dodge did not work.

RE; seen to be doing something...absolutely! :nod:

That said, Cons have had their moment, and tying back to the thread a wee bit, Harper still deserves a smack for letting his mis-assessed belief that he actually had a chance in 2015 get in the way of signing off the JSF acquisition.  :2c:

Regards
G2G

 

[MarkOttawa]

More from a US site, lots of further links:

Canada May Make It Much Harder For U.S. To Win Its Hornet Replacement Fighter Contract
With a chill spreading over historically toasty U.S.-Canada relations, Ottawa may penalize the U.S. by making its fighters less competitive.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/21690/canada-might-make-it-much-harder-for-u-s-to-win-its-hornet-replacement-fighter-contract

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Rifleman62]

There may be a chill now between the current US/Cdn gov't, but by the time were actually ready to get a replacement, who knows who the gov'ts will be in twenty years. :nod:

 

[thunderchild]

Buy a mixed fleet of European nato qualified fighters, EF-2000 tranch 3 and Gripen E/F.  The majority of our deployments are in the Middle East or Europe proper let’s shorten our supply lines.

 

[MarkOttawa]

More on this consulting contract--might there be a BAE Systems angle
in background (Eurofighter, Type 26 for RCN)?

U.K. firm's Ottawa offices to help feds find new fighter jets

Commerce Decisions, a U.K.-based company with offices in Ottawa, has secured a contract with the federal government to support the procurement process for 88 advanced fighter jets, replacing Canada’s current fleet.

The contract, worth up to $2 million, is under the Future Fighter Capability Project (FFCP), which is run by DND, Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), and Innovation, Science and Economic Development (ISED). The acquisition of the actual planes is worth up to $19 billion and will include associated equipment, weapons, and other services, according to a press release.

Commerce Decisions will draw on team members from across its operations to create an assessment plan for the fighter jet procurement program.This includes supporting the development of an evaluation plan for the competitive procurement process in preparing an evaluation strategy, methodology and criteria. According to the press release, the procurement of modern fighter jets is “essential” for Canada’s contribution to its NORAD and NATO commitments, as well as for the defence of Canada and its sovereignty globally.

According to DND, the development of evaluation criteria is key to ensuring the procurement of the right equipment at the right price. The contract with Commerce Decisions is independent from the identification of suppliers for the fighter aircraft fleet...

Commerce Decisions works with clients to build assessment schemes, including in the defence sector where it has worked extensively on U.K. MOD acquisitions as well as internationally, according to the press release.

This isn’t the first time Commerce Decisions has been tasked with a large defence contract by the Canadian government. In 2015, the company was awarded a contract to facilitate the delivery of assessment criteria for warship designers and combat systems integrators for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) project [emphasis added]...
http://www.obj.ca/article/uk-firms-ottawa-offices-help-feds-find-new-fighter-jets

Commerce Decisions news release:
https://cd.qinetiq.com/news/commerce-decisions-awarded-contract-to-support-dnd%E2%80%99s-future-fighter-capability-project/

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Kirkhill]

Qinetic (parent of Commerce Decisions):

We have been supporting the procurement and operation of the UK’s fleet of Typhoon fighter jets for over 25 years and the high-tech F-35 stealth, multi-role jets for over 10 years. We manage this through the supply of advice, tools and training.

https://www.qinetiq.com/What-we-do/Air/Aircraft-Mission-Systems