The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[SupersonicMax]

The F-15E (or one of its upgraded versions) has always been my #1 choice.  Long legs, lots of weapons, good EA/EP.  Good for both NORAD and NATO.

I disagree wih your assessment that we aren’t a first day of the war kind of country.  We were there the first day in Kosovo and would have been in Libya and Iraq if we had been positionned closer sooner.  Having said this, this could be suitable with support from the US.

 

[Baz]

Um... built by Boeing.  Isn't Justin still mad at them?  I don't think Bombardier getting around Boeing by getting tself bought by Airbus has put Boeing back into the good books yet has it?
But, of course, business is business and politics is politics, so if it is a neat and tidy solution it will all be water under the bridge...

 

[a_majoor]

I would also be good with the F-15E Strike Eagle (or some upgraded derivative like the "Silent Eagle") for many of the same reasons upthread. One thing to consider is a large aircraft like the Strike Eagle could also carry several of the "Stealth" weapons pods demonstrated by the Advanced Super Hornet to gain advantages of stealth, and probably improve the overall performance by reducing drag.

 

[MarkOttawa]

Consider this about the F-15:

McDonnell Aircraft formalized the concept for the F-15 in 1967 when the company was selected to enter the second phase of the U.S Air Force's FX competition...
https://www.boeing.com/history/products/f-15-eagle.page

What else is still being manufactured and going (pretty strong) after FIFTY-ONE years? Ma Deuce springs to mind, C-130 too. Amazing but what does it say about military technology? Honest question. Some overall designs for certain uses just that good and not much further progress can be made at any reasonable cost?

Consider also the configuration of the jet airliner; this from 1952 (SIXTY-SIX years ago):

"...
Work proceeded quickly after the formal start of the project on May 20, 1952. The 367-80 mated a large cabin based on the dimensions of the C-97 with the 35-degree swept-wing design based on the wings of the B-47 and B-52..."

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/boeing-367-80-jet-transport

Mark
Ottawa

 

[SupersonicMax]

Think of the F-15E as the Super Hornet of the F-15 family and the upgraded F-15E (SG, SA, SE) as the Super Hornet of the F-15E family.  Different aircraft altogether.  It is two generation beyond the F-15A/B/C/D.

 

[observor 69]

I was in Bagotville in the 1970's when one of the hot off the press F-15's flew in. Over the top impressive, particularly for that point in aviation. Intakes covered to protect their secret design we were told. A beautiful aircraft with a large "Wow" factor.  :christmas happy:

 

[Good2Golf]

Boeing has 3 ‘Half Century+’ platforms: B-52, CH-47 and (cheating slightly, but it’ll make it comfortably in a couple years) F-15.  When a design approaches or represents a near-perfect functional solution, it tends to hang around.

Regards
G2G

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Instructors are military already.

Thanks, so the aircraft are owned and maintained by the contractor, but the instructors are military?

 

[SupersonicMax]

Yes!

 

[MilEME09]

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-plans-to-buy-newest-f-15-x-fighter-aircraft.html/amp

Looks like the US is investing in the F-15X, 20,000 flying hours on the airframe is pretty impressive, and the low cost, wonder if the F-15X might be the new Freedom Fighter? Low cost easy to maintain plane to sell to allies.

 

[PuckChaser]

How is it low cost? That purchase price is $100M USD for the USAF, and then allies would be paying a FMS surcharge between 7.5 and 15%. F35 is $85M USD with no FMS surcharge.

I'm willing to bet itll be offered to countries they dont trust with the classified info in the F35.

 

[YZT580]

I would think that $100m for a limited run of 12 would be quite cheap.  What happens to the price if you ordered say 85?

 

[GR66]

How is it low cost? That purchase price is $100M USD for the USAF, and then allies would be paying a FMS surcharge between 7.5 and 15%. F35 is $85M USD with no FMS surcharge.

I'm willing to bet itll be offered to countries they dont trust with the classified info in the F35.

From the article:

"The F-15X is also set to be affordable, coming in at “well below” the $95 million cost of the F-35A. The newest Eagle would cost about $27,000 per hour to fly—again, well below the $45,000 an hour to fly the F-35A. Finally, Boeing claims that the F-15X will have a whopping 20,000-hour service life, enabling it to serve for decades. By comparison, the original F-15 was built to serve only 5,000 hours."

 

[PuckChaser]

The article is guessing at a price instead of using current pricing for both aircraft. That USAF order was $100M per aircraft, F-35A recent lot contract was $85M a plane. The F15X flying hour cost is an estimate, where current open source info has the F35A coming in at approx $35K USD per flying hour, not the unsubstantiated $45K from the article.

 

[MilEME09]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/thedrive/the-war-zone/22372/exclusive-unmasking-the-f-15x-boeings-f-15c-d-eagle-replacement-fighter%3fsource=dam

While not qouting an official price, the article above goes onto more detail and states boeing is offering a fixed price contract.

 

[YZT580]

Could very well come in at the prices quoted.  Boeing has been getting very competitive lately with their pricing in all areas: civil and military.

 

[MarkOttawa]

This apparent Boeing pricing strategy could also apply to F-15X:

Is Boeing’s ‘Eye-Watering’ T-X Bid A Game-Changer?

...Boeing’s win of the U.S. Air Force’s T-X trainer also may mark a turning point for the business model at the company’s defense division.

Much as commercial aero engine companies moved years ago toward selling their powerplants below cost to secure marketshare, with the intent of making money later on aftermarket services, Boeing Defense may be headed in the same direction.

The relatively low-bid strategy for T-X...
http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing-s-eye-watering-t-x-bid-game-changer

Mark
Ottawa

 

[MilEME09]

Wonder if they may try to offer rhe f15x to the RCAF? would probably make it to the compitition

 

[PuckChaser]

You think we should entertain a Boeing bid after the tariffs they got issued in the CS300?

 

[YZT580]

From Trudeau's viewpoint it appears cheaper and it isn't the F35 so it is a win-win.  After all the voters have already forgotten about the CS300 since it is now a french airplane.