The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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Chris Pook said:
Since we've contracted our AOR requirements previously to both Spain and Chile, why don't we just do the same with our NORAD and NATO obligations and pay the USAF to take over these responsibilities. If it makes anyone happy, we can put our roundel on the planes.....
Yes, I'm being sarcastic.
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We will probably pick up used F-35 once everyone else switches to hypersonic UCAVs.
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Found a pretty in depth Reddit post breaking down the specs of each aircraft in the CAF's fighter replacement program. Keep in mind the Rafale has been pulled by Dassault, so those numbers are useless for the discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/5fv9he/combat_radius_of_western_multirole_fighters/
https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/5fv9he/combat_radius_of_western_multirole_fighters/
And from a brief review of this data set it is pretty apparent that the SAAB machine is essentially useless for our purposes.PuckChaser said:
Which leads me to believe that it will probably be chosen...the recent CBC article seems to think it's the way to go.
But hey? Bombardier can build it in Cartierville. Don't let the door hit you on your arse on the way out Justin!
Woe Canada!
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Everything you might want to know about earlier generation Gripens (from a biased source):
Mark
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Flying & Fighting in the Gripen: Interview with a Swedish Air Force pilot
Lieutenant Mikael Grev flew the Saab JAS-39 Gripen fighter in the Swedish air force, including wartime missions over Libya. Here he describes flying and fighting in this potent bantam weight machine, training against the F-16 and F/A-18, and how it would have handled Russia’s infamous Su-27 ‘Flanker’...
https://hushkit.net/2019/04/15/flying-fighting-in-the-gripen-interview-with-a-swedish-air-force-pilot/
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https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/canada/sweden
Canada is about 22 times bigger than Sweden. It would run from the 49th to 60 and fit between Calgary and Medicine Hat. About two or three times the size of Cold Lake.
With the Russians coming from east of Medicine Hat.
Canada is about 22 times bigger than Sweden. It would run from the 49th to 60 and fit between Calgary and Medicine Hat. About two or three times the size of Cold Lake.
With the Russians coming from east of Medicine Hat.
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Fuel was incompatible at a NATO base? Sounds like a major deficiency for the Grippen...
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SupersonicMax said:
I haven't read the article but I believe they were used to running JP1 and JP5 was available for the Libya campaign. Not sure what the difference is and how easy it is to switch. Strange though because is the Gripen not running the same engine as the Hornets?
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Both JP8 and JP5 was available during OUP. Sig, being a Navy base, probably stocks JP5. You can use different types of fuel but it is generally limited in how long you can use different fuel unless you change the fuel control unit to a different type of fuel (the 404s have that option).
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Looks like Gripen's only selling feature (technology transfer) has a competitor. LM is offering Japan access to the F35 software to sweeten the deal.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27601/lockheed-offers-japan-access-to-f-35-code-as-part-of-stealth-fighter-proposal-report
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27601/lockheed-offers-japan-access-to-f-35-code-as-part-of-stealth-fighter-proposal-report
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Colin P said:
Hilarious!!
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Finn says officials won't have a real handle on when the first new fighters can be delivered until the winning company is picked and the two sides can hammer out the details..."
Translation: until the industrial benefits, whatever they are, are sorted out. F-35 problem: no such benefits permitted for program members, of which we are one. FMS route and Canadian companies then lose any future contracts for a couple of thousand planes? What's a poor, dilatory, PM (who cares zip about defence) to do? And after the October election, whoever wins?
FUBAR:
Finns and Swiss will have Hornet replacements in service long before RCAF:
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/01/industry-bids-are-in-for-finlands-13-billion-fighter-race/
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-04-13/switzerland-starts-new-round-fighter-trials
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Finn says officials won't have a real handle on when the first new fighters can be delivered until the winning company is picked and the two sides can hammer out the details..."
Translation: until the industrial benefits, whatever they are, are sorted out. F-35 problem: no such benefits permitted for program members, of which we are one. FMS route and Canadian companies then lose any future contracts for a couple of thousand planes? What's a poor, dilatory, PM (who cares zip about defence) to do? And after the October election, whoever wins?
FUBAR:
Finns and Swiss will have Hornet replacements in service long before RCAF:
https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/02/01/industry-bids-are-in-for-finlands-13-billion-fighter-race/
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-04-13/switzerland-starts-new-round-fighter-trials
Mark
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This Canadian Press story suggests that the plan for an open competition may violate the terms of our participation in the F35 program. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable this this superannuated soldier will comment on this.
OTTAWA — U.S. officials have warned the Trudeau government that its plan to hold an open competition to replace its aging CF-18s is incompatible with Canada's obligations as a member of the F-35 stealth-fighter program.
The warnings are in two letters sent to the government last year that were obtained by defence analyst Richard Shimooka and released in a report published by the Macdonald-Laurier Institute think-tank.
The letters specifically take issue with the government's plan to have each fighter-jet maker commit to re-investing in Canada if its aircraft wins the upcoming competition aimed at buying 88 new planes for $19 billion.
While that is standard for most Canadian military procurements, the U.S. officials note that Canada agreed not to apply such a requirement when it signed on as one of nine F-35 partner countries in 2006.
Companies in those countries are instead allowed to compete for work associated with the plane, and the U.S. officials say imposing requirements as a condition to bid will mean the F-35 won't be entered in the race.
Canada has contributed roughly $500 million over the past 20 years toward developing the F-35, which now is expected to compete against three other aircraft to replace the CF-18s.
OTTAWA — U.S. officials have warned the Trudeau government that its plan to hold an open competition to replace its aging CF-18s is incompatible with Canada's obligations as a member of the F-35 stealth-fighter program.
The warnings are in two letters sent to the government last year that were obtained by defence analyst Richard Shimooka and released in a report published by the Macdonald-Laurier Institute think-tank.
The letters specifically take issue with the government's plan to have each fighter-jet maker commit to re-investing in Canada if its aircraft wins the upcoming competition aimed at buying 88 new planes for $19 billion.
While that is standard for most Canadian military procurements, the U.S. officials note that Canada agreed not to apply such a requirement when it signed on as one of nine F-35 partner countries in 2006.
Companies in those countries are instead allowed to compete for work associated with the plane, and the U.S. officials say imposing requirements as a condition to bid will mean the F-35 won't be entered in the race.
Canada has contributed roughly $500 million over the past 20 years toward developing the F-35, which now is expected to compete against three other aircraft to replace the CF-18s.
