The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[KevinB]

Of course there are always updates and such.
To say an aircraft can do this and it cant, then add a few billion there and few billion there to make it work is simply smart business on part of the manufacturing group, not desirable to the purchaser.
The aircraft was suppose to be built to XYZ standard, it has hit ABC and D. But needs everything else in between. Most Buyers knew some of this initially, but were promised things would come along. Afterall it was a new platform with tons of capability packed into one platform. What I don't think they were prepared for was the actual time frame for such things to be upgraded and working along with the cost of the upgrades. Open sources state these are very alarmingly expensive and delayed.

The F16 is still getting updates and upgrades. Surpassed it's original design spec. I cant imagine in 47ish years the F35 still getting its initial promised tech. Let alone installing conformal fuel tanks, updating its systems to accept different ordinances.
Time will tell, if I am around in 47 years to see the F35 flying into the next 20 years (outside of Canada's fleet) I would be surprised.

Honestly sometimes you are such a massive clown it is just impossible not to call you out.

The Upgrade blocks are not underdelivered technology - they are exactly what they say --> upgrade blocks - things like upgraded sensors, engines etc.
The F-22 just had a new block done, your damn right the USAF paid LockMart for it, because it was NOT part of the original design parameters.

 

[childs56]

Honestly sometimes you are such a massive clown it is just impossible not to call you out.

LOL I expect you to name call it seems to be a regular content yourself and supporters. I will prepare myself for the onslaught of negative comments coming form others. I will shed a tear that you had enough thought to do so.

The Upgrade blocks are not underdelivered technology - they are exactly what they say --> upgrade blocks - things like upgraded sensors, engines etc.

Yes, the F35 was promised to be able to perform better then it did. But it was lack luster initially as stated by countries who took delivery of the plane. It had not performed as promised. They were promised the capability would improve at no cost. But the cost was was substantial so they had to pay more money for capability they already thought they paid for.
That was discussed in very brief detail in open sources, and more depth in closed platforms.
To the point that they stoped delivery of the aircraft. Go figure the platform does not perform as well as promised even at its initial delivery of the lower tiered blocks.
Well sorry your radar does not work as well as promised but we will fix it. OH wait we have this upgrade you can purchase... lol
Yes there are always issues and concerns, along with upgrades. The aircraft as promised and sold was no where what was thought to of been delivered.

The F-22 just had a new block done, your damn right the USAF paid LockMart for it, because it was NOT part of the original design parameters.

Upgrades are expected, modifications are expected. But the Platform should actually work as promised before delivery.

 

[KevinB]

LOL I expect you to name call it seems to be a regular content yourself and supporters. I will prepare myself for the onslaught of negative comments coming form others. I will shed a tear that you had enough thought to do so.

Yes, the F35 was promised to be able to perform better then it did. But it was lack luster initially as stated by countries who took delivery of the plane. It had not performed as promised. They were promised the capability would improve at no cost. But the cost was was substantial so they had to pay more money for capability they already thought they paid for.
That was discussed in very brief detail in open sources, and more depth in closed platforms.
To the point that they stoped delivery of the aircraft. Go figure the platform does not perform as well as promised even at its initial delivery of the lower tiered blocks.
Well sorry your radar does not work as well as promised but we will fix it. OH wait we have this upgrade you can purchase... lol
Yes there are always issues and concerns, along with upgrades. The aircraft as promised and sold was no where what was thought to of been delivered.

Upgrades are expected, modifications are expected. But the Platform should actually work as promised before delivery.

I think you need to find better news sources.

While certain Upgrade Blocks of the F-35 have had delays, and there have been snags with other aspects - the Upgrade Blocks are separate from some of the material deficiencies that occurred in earlier F-35's.

Keep in mind the F-35 had to be 3 very different types of aircraft, the V/STOL B version caused a lot of compromises.

But the current operating costs of the F-35 are less than the F-15 are - for a much more capable system (albeit less ordnance)

 

[childs56]

I think you need to find better news sources.

lol, open source is pretty telling themselves. Closed source actually details with great accuracy of the problems. Some may never be fixed.

While certain Upgrade Blocks of the F-35 have had delays, and there have been snags with other aspects - the Upgrade Blocks are separate from some of the material deficiencies that occurred in earlier F-35's.

engine issues are not block problems.
speed restrictions are not block problems.
sensors fusion are not block problems.
operating systems are not block problems,

Keep in mind the F-35 had to be 3 very different types of aircraft, the V/STOL B version caused a lot of compromises.

sure, but they all have similar issues and concerns. Each model has specific problems to their individual design requirements.

But the current operating costs of the F-35 are less than the F-15 are - for a much more capable system (albeit less ordnance)

depends on what you consider more capable system.
One would have to define the parameters. Both Platforms have their plus and minuses depending on mission role and requirements.
A race car and truck (F15) is good for some things and a Audi Q3 (F35) is good for other things.
They both have things in common but both built for different roles.

 

[PrairieFella]

All I know is idk if we should even trust F35 anymore. There is reporting that the HIMARS have essentially been quasi-bricked in Ukraine, unless I'm misinterpreting the reporting, any American high tech kit is an insane liability. Hell, Navarro continued his Anschluss narrative with vigour tonight. F35 might just be too risky.