The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Czech_pivo]

Canada is meek. Trying to think you have any leverage in this situation is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

All kicking the can on the F-35 would do is reinforce Canada isn’t a reliable market.

95%+ of your defense suppliers in Canada are subsidiaries of foreign companies. Want to see job losses, well that’s what would happen if those companies decided to shutter their Canadian operations.

You’d end up with no LAV’s, no planes, no tanks, helicopters, ships etc.

Sadly that is true and accurate.

 

[QV]

All kicking the can on the F-35 would do is reinforce Canada isn’t a reliable market.

Already demonstrated not a reliable place for investment. Why stop there.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Canada is meek. Trying to think you have any leverage in this situation is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

All kicking the can on the F-35 would do is reinforce Canada isn’t a reliable market.

95%+ of your defense suppliers in Canada are subsidiaries of foreign companies. Want to see job losses, well that’s what would happen if those companies decided to shutter their Canadian operations.

You’d end up with no LAV’s, no planes, no tanks, helicopters, ships etc.

Not if we take delivery of what aircraft we have currently paid for. We are going to running a split fleet of F35 and CF18's for awhile anyways. Hopefully we pick the SK subs and get 4 of them asap, continue to renew our ground equipment (SPG, AD equipment, etc) and try to speed up the RCD's. That is as much as most other countries are doing right now and are big ticket items in their own right.

Canada's boycotts are hurting a lot of sectors of the US, delaying and pondering the next buy of F35's will add to that. Trump is not around for a long time and we need every bit of leverage we can get right now.

 

[KevinB]

Not if we take delivery of what aircraft we have currently paid for. We are going to running a split fleet of F35 and CF18's for awhile anyways.

Your CF-18’s are beyond long in the tooth.

Hopefully we pick the SK subs and get 4 of them asap, continue to renew our ground equipment (SPG, AD equipment, etc) and try to speed up the RCD's. That is as much as most other countries are doing right now and are big ticket items in their own right.

Most have already replaced their aging aircraft long before Canada put ink to paper.

Canada's boycotts are hurting a lot of sectors of the US, delaying and pondering the next buy of F35's will add to that. Trump is not around for a long time and we need every bit of leverage we can get right now.

He’s got more than 3 years left, and like it or not Canada’s defence industry is tied to the US, dicking around further on the F-35 contract will only hurt Canada, in both capability, and contract costing.

The Canadian economy is also linked to is down here, so with things may hurt here, they can be devastating and worse up there.

Pissing off LocMart on the F-35 could create lot more serious issues for Canada, than LocMart at the end of the day.
Your current Frigates have LocMart Combat Management, as will the RCD’s and many other subsystems in other folks equipment is some subsidiary of LocMart.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Your CF-18’s are beyond long in the tooth.

Most have already replaced their aging aircraft long before Canada put ink to paper.

He’s got more than 3 years left, and like it or not Canada’s defence industry is tied to the US, dicking around further on the F-35 contract will only hurt Canada, in both capability, and contract costing.

The Canadian economy is also linked to is down here, so with things may hurt here, they can be devastating and worse up there.

Pissing off LocMart on the F-35 could create lot more serious issues for Canada, than LocMart at the end of the day.
Your current Frigates have LocMart Combat Management, as will the RCD’s and many other subsystems in other folks equipment is some subsidiary of LocMart.

Well Carney is off to the UK for the rest of the week(after hosing a state dinner this evening in Ottawa with the President of Indonesia), with meetings with the UK & Australian PM's, the leaders of Spain, Iceland and Denmark.

Have to wonder if there would be any interesting by Denmark (for Greenland) in jointly producing these ice capable Corvettes 10yrs out that are being bantered about.

 

[Kirkhill]

Your CF-18’s are beyond long in the tooth.

Most have already replaced their aging aircraft long before Canada put ink to paper.

He’s got more than 3 years left, and like it or not Canada’s defence industry is tied to the US, dicking around further on the F-35 contract will only hurt Canada, in both capability, and contract costing.

The Canadian economy is also linked to is down here, so with things may hurt here, they can be devastating and worse up there.

Pissing off LocMart on the F-35 could create lot more serious issues for Canada, than LocMart at the end of the day.
Your current Frigates have LocMart Combat Management, as will the RCD’s and many other subsystems in other folks equipment is some subsidiary of LocMart.

And we are likely to be living with Trumpian foreign and economic policies for a long time. Even if the Democrats get back in.

 

[Czech_pivo]

And we are likely to be living with Trumpian foreign and economic policies for a long time. Even if the Democrats get back in.

The Canadian version of an 'Inconvenient Truth' is that we need to start to rely on ourselves once again, regardless in Democrats win in '28, '32, '36 and '40 back to back to back to back.

 

[Kirkhill]

Well Carney is off to the UK for the rest of the week(after hosing a state dinner this evening in Ottawa with the President of Indonesia), with meetings with the UK & Australian PM's, the leaders of Spain, Iceland and Denmark.

Have to wonder if there would be any interesting by Denmark (for Greenland) in jointly producing these ice capable Corvettes 10yrs out that are being bantered about.

The Danes are putting new arctic patrol vessels in the water starting 2029.

In the last 3 years they bought a regiment of guns to replace their inventory which they donated to Ukraine. They decided they didn't like those, donated them to Ukraine as well and bought another regiment's worth. Denmark's PM operates on a different schedule than Carney and Starmer.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The Danes are putting new arctic patrol vessels in the water starting 2029.

In the last 3 years they bought a regiment of guns to replace their inventory which they donated to Ukraine. They decided they didn't like those, donated them to Ukraine as well and bought another regiment's worth. Denmark's PM operates on a different schedule than Carney and Starmer.

I wonder if they are wringing their hands about staffing and training needs for this expansion.

 

[Kirkhill]

I wonder if they are wringing their hands about staffing and training needs for this expansion.

She has also seen fit to ban the burqa, close the borders, deport illegals, confiscate gold and jewellery worn by asylum seekers to defray their costs, and split up ghettos in government housing by moving immigrants to majority Danish areas from majority immigrant areas.

She is a Social Democrat.

 

[QV]

She has also seen fit to ban the burqa, close the borders, deport illegals, confiscate gold and jewellery worn by asylum seekers to defray their costs, and split up ghettos in government housing by moving immigrants to majority Danish areas from majority immigrant areas.

She is a Social Democrat.

heresy

 

[OldSolduer]

Our problem is our politicians. Too often they vigorously oppose anything the other party brings up.

There are none so blind.....

 

[Retired AF Guy]

The latest:

Ottawa still reviewing F-35 program after its summer deadline passes

National Newswatch: Canada's most comprehensive site for political news and views.

nationalnewswatch.com

 

[Kirkhill]

The latest:

Ottawa still reviewing F-35 program after its summer deadline passes

National Newswatch: Canada's most comprehensive site for political news and views.

nationalnewswatch.com

From the above, per our PM:

"The way we were making decisions, until this government, often was what's the military requirement? If it fulfils the miltary requirement, then we go with that."

2040 it is then.

Apparently we weren't taking enough concern over industrial benefits.

Moving on major projects at speeds never seen before....

 

[Czech_pivo]

From the above, per our PM:

"The way we were making decisions, until this government, often was what's the military requirement? If it fulfils the miltary requirement, then we go with that."

2040 it is then.

Apparently we weren't taking enough concern over industrial benefits.

Moving on major projects at speeds never seen before....

Have wonder if we are going with 2 fleets.

 

[KevinB]

Have wonder if we are going with 2 fleets.

I can’t wait for F-35’s and F-15 EX’s.
Yup you showed us down here

 

[childs56]

I can’t wait for F-35’s and F-15 EX’s.
Yup you showed us down here

I would think those two platforms would be splendid together and would get my vote.

 

[Swampbuggy]

I can’t wait for F-35’s and F-15 EX’s.
Yup you showed us down here

If you can make that happen, I’d be looking to see if we could swap you in for the current US ambassador…

 

[OldSolduer]

I can’t wait for F-35’s and F-15 EX’s.
Yup you showed us down here

We're not buying anything. That's my prediction.

"We're not buying fancy jet planes for the military to crash so we're investing that money in (insert useless cause here - like a two state solution).

Yeah I'm pissed.

 

[childs56]

We're not buying anything. That's my prediction.

"We're not buying fancy jet planes for the military to crash so we're investing that money in (insert useless cause here - like a two state solution).

Yeah I'm pissed.

I hope your wrong, but I was thinking along the same lines. They will put it out for tender again.