The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Jarnhamar]

Not actively seeking out, defending from.

It should be a purple trade. You'd also want to maintain and grow the specialty aspects like air marshal, CP, TASO, port security, airfield security.. maintain use of force training for domestic ops.

If I was king for a day, I'd re-roll and re-name the MP branch - open it up to re-musters who have certain desired qualifications (CP). Focus entirely on all domain force protection for the CAF domestically and abroad. Force protection includes all the boring admin and tasks that goes with security - USS duties, Ident, security screening, physical security, access control, guard duties, BASF. I'd take all of this off the plate of the other L1s. No need for secondary duties dispersed about.

The mp do a lot of these tasks already - I figure if CAF wanted to trim off police duties - just rip the band-aide off and disband/re-roll into a CAF D&S or Force Protection trade, could significantly reduce the cost of contracting commissionaires at the same time. You'd have your CAF armed security force for domestic and deployed ops freeing up all the other trades to do their specific jobs entirely.

I think the CAF will be ditching policing sooner rather than later.

There is no more Navy police group or whatever it's called and they're getting rid of the Airforce group soon. Army element only. And the commands will apparently be imagalamated into Western, Central, Eastern, and NCR or HQ - which will also house CP, TASO, PSS etc. MPs are also losing their black police uniform and going to cadpat for everyone. It sounds like the CAF envisions MP going back to their field roots - standing on the side of a Latvian highway directing convoys.

CAF could look at taking MP badges away, canceling MP spec pay, and make the trade force protection/security guards.

 

[Maxman1]

It would be cool to create a new federal police force that can pass a sentence on the spot. Like a cop & judge all in one, but I digress.

 

[McG]

Some interesting ideas. It seems like it would be a lot of effort, resources, and manpower put into an organization not designed to actively seek out and fight bad guys.

This statement seems dismissive of all support occupations. I assume that is not your intent?

 

[Jarnhamar]

This statement seems dismissive of all support occupations. I assume that is not your intent?

You assume correctly.

 

[McG]

What makes security and force protection less deserving than other Operations Support functions that have established occupations?

 

[dapaterson]

What makes security and force protection less deserving than other Operations Support functions that have established occupations?

No niche PG program of limited utility at RMC?

 

[Jarnhamar]

What makes security and force protection less deserving than other Operations Support functions that have established occupations?

Economy of effort.

If we're talking about force protection that we can plop into a fob for security I'd imagine they should be trained on crew served weapons. Probably driving armored vehicles and utilizing their weapon systems. It seems wasteful not to be able to grab them and do traditional infantry tasks if the need comes up.

If we only expect them to man a gate or walk a perimeter inside an already secured compound or airfield then we can get away with less.

Between having to collapse infantry companies and armored squadrons, and some units having "MEL platoons" now, I don't think we have the manpower for a new trade that would take away from combat arms numbers even more.

 

[dapaterson]

Economy of effort.

If we're talking about force protection that we can plop into a fob for security I'd imagine they should be trained on crew served weapons. Probably driving armored vehicles and utilizing their weapon systems. It seems wasteful not to be able to grab them and do traditional infantry tasks if the need comes up.

If we only expect them to man a gate or walk a perimeter inside an already secured compound or airfield then we can get away with less.

Between having to collapse infantry companies and armored squadrons, and some units having "MEL platoons" now, I don't think we have the manpower for a new trade that would take away from combat arms numbers even more.

The new trade is predicated on expansion of the CAF, not reallocation from within existing numbers.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The new trade is predicated on expansion of the CAF, not reallocation from within existing numbers.

Nice. Hopefully the role gets expanded to armed security of all bases and installations.

 

[MacNav63]

I was stationed in NDHQ at that time; a lot of people I worked with thought it was really stupid, but someone in NDHQ wanted to score some brownie points with the local politicians.

101 Colonel By has frankly never made sense as a military headquarters or ministry of defence location, nor was it built as one. It was originally built for Transport Canada who turned it down in favour of Tower C at Place de Ville. Until the 90s it wasn't even fenced and traffic still passed underneath between Colonel By Drive and Nicholas. I remember during Gulf War I there would be a tow truck parked in the underpass in case it was needed quickly...

 

[Swampbuggy]

I went to Lisgar back in the day....I was able to walk from school, through the main floor at NDHQ to the Rideau Center to catch a bus.

Used to work in the basement at NDHQ in the records section at NDRLS, first as a summer student then as a contract for a few years. One day we had a special project, back around the Somalia Inquiry and I knew it might run late, so being a brain dead 20 year old, I thought I’d bring my boombox to help me get through the paperwork. Never gave it a thought that it was a dual cassette recorder capable unit and the Meathead at the North Tower entrance barely even registered it when I walked in and showed both it and my id card. I didn’t hear zip about it the whole afternoon but then finally my boss came around the corner and saw me and this Major who had been assigned to man a photocopier, grooving out and doing our thing. She was quite literally the only person who clocked or cared about it. She checked if there were recordings in the deck and then told me not to bring it back, but I didn’t get any real guff for it. Looking back on it now, I can’t believe that could happen. But, then that North Tower MP was far less interested in security and deeply focused on what was being offered at Treats in the Rideau Centre. Given he was about 6’5” and going probably 280, you didn’t get between him and his lemon cranberry muffin at break time…Priorities.

 

[Maxman1]

101 Colonel By has frankly never made sense as a military headquarters or ministry of defence location, nor was it built as one. It was originally built for Transport Canada who turned it down in favour of Tower C at Place de Ville. Until the 90s it wasn't even fenced and traffic still passed underneath between Colonel By Drive and Nicholas. I remember during Gulf War I there would be a tow truck parked in the underpass in case it was needed quickly...

And NDHQ was originally Nortel corporate headquarters. Supposedly, over 4,000 wiretaps were found after DND bought the property.