The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[KevinB]

I think F-47 will be NOFORN like the F-22.

If Boeing can deliver on the promises

 

[ytz]

I think F-47 will be NOFORN like the F-22.

As detailed in the video, I think there's a risk it doesn't get built. Using a combination of higher end weapons, palletized weapons delivery, Loyal Wingmen and a flow down of 6th Gen tech to the F-35 (such as the Adaptive Cycle Engine) is starting to look both cheaper and more effective. Even if they build the F-47, it's not looking like they will build as many as planned.

The video provides a really good view into the macro debate going on in the fighter community. Everybody looks at drones. Very few are paying attention to how the new class of weapons are changing Force Design and procurement. It's been part of the reason to question the utility of the Wedgetail. How do you defend an HVA against a saturation attack of long range hypersonic datalinked AAMs?

But sure, it will be heavily NOFORN. And possibly so will flowed down tech. We can see hint of this with the radar divergence. This is why, it's really best to start planning the exit from the US Weapons sphere in areas where they can't/won't share.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

If Boeing can deliver on the promises

Oh come now. When has Boeing ever dropped the ball….

 

[ytz]

If Boeing can deliver on the promises

And just like GCAP, they haven't delivered a 5th Gen fighter either.

 

[Good2Golf]

And just like GCAP, they haven't delivered a 5th Gen fighter either.

They deserve to entirely own the X-32. That was a horrendous looking aircraft. Seriously. The Pontiac Aztec was better looking than the X-32.

 

[childs56]

F-18 A/Bs are long out of US inventory. The USMC does still fly C/D models

I understand they still have a few A+ models flying. A couple of years ago they went though the older models with lower hours to make it through to 2030.

 

[Swampbuggy]

They deserve to entirely own the X-32. That was a horrendous looking aircraft. Seriously. The Pontiac Aztec was better looking than the X-32.

More cupholders too

 

[SupersonicMax]

I understand they still have a few A+ models flying. A couple of years ago they went though the older models with lower hours to make it through to 2030.

They only have Cs and Ds. No more As since a long time ago.

 

[daftandbarmy]

They deserve to entirely own the X-32. That was a horrendous looking aircraft. Seriously. The Pontiac Aztec was better looking than the X-32.

Speak of the Devil...


"Perfect for running over drug dealers"

-Heinsenberg, 2009

 

[childs56]

They only have Cs and Ds. No more As since a long time ago.

I guess their last flight was 2024 for the A+ model.

 

[KevinB]

I guess their last flight was 2024 for the A+ model.

Not even close. The C/D’s that replaced the A/B got retired in 2018, being replaced by the E/F Super Hornets

 

[KevinB]

And just like GCAP, they haven't delivered a 5th Gen fighter either.

Oh I have no faith in the F-47 or Boeing in the fighter category at this point, they laid off a lot of the MDD fighter engineers prior to, and as you pointed out they don’t have a history in Gen 5. So they did their best to steal Skunkworks folks and other ways to copy LocMarls homework.

Awarding contracts based on renderings is a fools errand to me, I don’t think it is actually more cost effective to the USG either as opposed to awarding down select R&D contracts to 2-3 players.

 

[SupersonicMax]

Not even close. The C/D’s that replaced the A/B got retired in 2018, being replaced by the E/F Super Hornets

That’s for the USN proper. USMC still flies Cs and Ds.