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The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

Some of the professional HR (or lack there of) criticism is warranted.

However, I would also point out that a pure Civ HR solution to the CAF is no panacea as many of the Military’s HR challenges just are not replicable in the Civilian world (ie, an actual functioning casualty replacement plan).

Maybe a HR sub-specialty as a remuster trade, backed up by Public servants for continuity?

But, this is well off topic for fighters.

We are in violent agreement - a pure Civ HR solution would fail; we need military professionals (supported by civilian expertise). We also need non specialist officers to learn to listen to and respect military professionals who may be junior in rank, but have more knowledge than them within a domain.
 
We are in violent agreement - a pure Civ HR solution would fail; we need military professionals (supported by civilian expertise). We also need non specialist officers to learn to listen to and respect military professionals who may be junior in rank, but have more knowledge than them within a domain.
Ha. Good one.
 
Start with professionals doing the HR management, including attraction, selection and recruiting, and having excess training capacity ready, and not a starved IT&E system.

CAF compensation and benefits are extremely generous (despite the whining from some sectors (cough pilots cough)).
A fixed training schedule that reflects the needs of students and young workers and also one the senior staff of the units can all plan their lives around.
 
We're well paid, thats not the issue.

Disagree. Only in part. Being a reservist is a substantial commitment for a part time job. I do think this needs to be disproportionately compensated to get the numbers we want. And not just pay (which is generous, as you pointed out). It would be good to see better tuition assistance and/or health and social benefits.
 
Disagree. Only in part. Being a reservist is a substantial commitment for a part time job. I do think this needs to be disproportionately compensated to get the numbers we want. And not just pay (which is generous, as you pointed out). It would be good to see better tuition assistance and/or health and social benefits.
Reservists get 92% of RegF pay without any of the downsides. Its a fair deal.

If you wanted to talk about proper federal/provincial job protection legislation to allow more to serve, then thats a real conversation.
 
I thought that was optional.
You are correct; my bad. Here is the AI answer:

The aircraft features a fully integrated and certified AAR system, allowing it to receive fuel from tanker aircraft such as the KC-767. This capability enables long-range missions, rapid deployment to forward operating bases, and allows the trainer to be used for AAR training operations itself. The M-346 is noted as the only advanced fly-by-wire trainer and light fighter in the world certified for this specific operation.


The M-346 uses a probe-and-drogue system, the standard NATO method. Here's how it works:

The probe is a fixed, quickly removable rigid arm mounted on the starboard side of the forward fuselage, ahead of the cockpit. It's not permanently installed — it's fitted only when a mission requires AAR, which keeps drag low on clean training sorties.
 
We're well paid, thats not the issue.
but not well-known. School guidance counsellors whom I have encountered kept the DND folders in the cupboard or on a top shelf out of sight. When asked why the response from these individuals was that they weren't about to promote war and violence. I guess (purely my thought) that they are too busy encouraging/teaching the benefits of civil disobedience. Cadets were moved out of the schools if Oakville was any indicator. These policies have been pursued for several decades now.
 
You really seem to be missing the point. The Space Shuttle worked just fine. But it took that much code to run it. And all that code has to be maintained. It also generates output. That output drives work. So if a given system has 100X the code for example, it's not unreasonable to expect a 10x demand in overall manning. Best I can say without really getting into the weeds. The code comparison was to show you the relative difference in complexity.



No it doesn't. It just drives demands for different labour and different skills.

The F-35 and P-8 alone are driving the creation of 3 new trades in the RCAF and substantially changing a whole bunch of doctrine, TTPs, etc.

Just because a bunch of retired Boomers think it's all mumbo-jumbo doesn't change the reality of the transformation the RCAF has to pull off.



Depends. How much of that growth is allocated to the RCAF and in what time horizon. Double the RCAF in size and maybe we'll be able to operate two fleets. Insist that we many two fighter fleets in 2035, and I tell you right now, there will be lots of parked aircraft wasting away....

As it stands, everybody is basically crossing fingers and hoping that pilot training plans will meet current fleet projections in 2035. And these were all sized for the fleet plans we have. Increase the fleet projection for 2035, and you now have to substantially change the training system to deliver more. We aren't even buying enough lead in aircraft, for example, to train more pilots than the what we need for the 88 F-35. Imagine having to double the FLIT pipeline in like 7 years. I don't think something like that would happen. I think the RCAF would just quietly park aircraft.



No. And really, we're all preparing ourselves mentally to get stuck with Cyclone 2.0. But the math is just not mathing. The personnel growth (both planned and actual) is not lining up the visions that people have off two fleets. I hate the assertion that this is just some RCAF fetish with American kit. When I hang up my uniform every night, I'm still Canadian and I want this country succeed. However, I also recognize that an institution that has been starved for literally decades can't just pivot on a dime. There is no spare capacity. And there's a lot of people in staff jobs, standards, etc. working multiple jobs or more than their allocated share and burning out.

And in the immediate term, the question becomes what do you tradeoff. For example, we still have exercised the two options on the P-8s. We only booked 6 Globaleyes, instead of 8. We have a Deep Sensing and Electronic Attack capability on the books with another half dozen (probably) Globals. We have space capabilities, various EW and munitions projects we want to pull off over the next decade or so. Hell, 1 Wing is proposing completely replacing the Griffon with a mix of medium lift, attack helos and theatre level MALE UAS. How much of all that should get scrapped to buy fourth gen jets that will obsolete within a decade of delivery and have very low YFR flown because we don't have the techs or pilots anyway?

If you're in the Navy, you should be mad as hell that nobody is pushing for more P-8s. If you're in the Army, you should be upset that you might be riding a Griffon in 2035 thanks to the Gripen and have zero deep sensing and EA capability. None of the chuds online think of opportunity cost. But it's disappointing that so many people here who wore a uniform can't seem to grasp this either.
are we going to get the other two P8s? Has the opportunity passed?
 
but not well-known. School guidance counsellors whom I have encountered kept the DND folders in the cupboard or on a top shelf out of sight. When asked why the response from these individuals was that they weren't about to promote war and violence. I guess (purely my thought) that they are too busy encouraging/teaching the benefits of civil disobedience. Cadets were moved out of the schools if Oakville was any indicator. These policies have been pursued for several decades now.
Thanks to the various Teachers Unions.
 
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