The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Czech_pivo]

Bombardier partners with BAE Systems to explore combat fighter jets

The companies have signed a strategic agreement to explore developing industrial and technology capabilities

www.theglobeandmail.com

Excerpt:
Plane maker Bombardier Inc.

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is partnering with British defence contractor BAE Systems
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on a new effort to develop technological and industrial capabilities for future combat fighter jets.

The companies signed a memorandum of understanding to explore opportunities to collaborate across several key areas, including research and development, systems integration, and work force and supply chains, they said in separate statements Wednesday.

Bombardier chief executive Éric Martel is pushing to expand its defence business as countries around the world boost their military spending. The unit blew past its original US$1-billion revenue target five years ahead of its 2030 target.

Sounds alot like angling for GCAP work down the line, no?

 

[FJAG]

 

[The Bread Guy]

Still "reviewing"?

Canada still reviewing F-35 purchase after RCAF received its first jets: minister

Defence Minister David McGuinty says the federal government’s planned purchase of 88 F-35 stealth fighters remains under review, even after the military received its first two F-35s in recent days.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[ArmyRick]

Still "reviewing"?

Canada still reviewing F-35 purchase after RCAF received its first jets: minister

Defence Minister David McGuinty says the federal government’s planned purchase of 88 F-35 stealth fighters remains under review, even after the military received its first two F-35s in recent days.

www.ctvnews.ca

Reviewing = Seeing if they drop in the polls if they continue with the F35 purchase (which is what they fully intend to do).

 

[Halifax Tar]

Reviewing = Seeing if they drop in the polls if they continue with the F35 purchase (which is what they fully intend to do).

Everything is about keeping them in power. The betterment of Canada is secondary, IMHO.

 

[ArmyRick]

Everything is about keeping them in power. The betterment of Canada is secondary, IMHO.

The truth. Promise everything and make excuses for the failures. Results? Whatever.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Listening to talk radio about the purchase, they identified that we did get two and we ordered 14, the information learned here about a further 16 was not mentioned.

 

[markppcli]

Listening to talk radio about the purchase, they identified that we did get two and we ordered 14, the information learned here about a further 16 was not mentioned.

They'll wait for a win to announce it. If they can swing a trade deal because f35 thing id see it.

 

[DBNSG]

Everything is about keeping them in power. The betterment of Canada is secondary, IMHO

That raises the question then what Party would soft Liberal CAF haters vote for ? Avi Lewis? not vote?
If Karma took Trump this weekend I imagine the Gripen crowd would find something else to focus on that did not include
DND and the celebration would last a week.

 

[captloadie]

What if we put the fighter jet argument in this context:
CF-35: peacetime aircraft we can use for NORAD and limited international conflicts where the risk to losing one is acceptable. They are expensive to replace, expensive to maintain, and more complex to learn to fly to maximize its capabilities
SAAB Gripen: the wartime aircraft that can be replaced at the speed they are lost in combat. Cheaper and quicker to build, maintain, and train pilots on

So where do we see Canada in future conflicts?

 

[Halifax Tar]

So where do we see Canada in future conflicts?

Hopefully we can stay out of conflicts that do not directly affect Fortress North America, maintain strong trade relationships with all partners, and keep other nations' problems from reaching our shores.

I see a role for both aircraft within a balanced fleet. We should also pursue domestic production of the Gripen, providing Canada with a wartime manufacturing base and the ability to sustain and expand production when needed.

 

[Czech_pivo]

That raises the question then what Party would soft Liberal CAF haters vote for ? Avi Lewis? not vote?
If Karma took Trump this weekend I imagine the Gripen crowd would find something else to focus on that did not include
DND and the celebration would last a week.

Fair statement.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That raises the question then what Party would soft Liberal CAF haters vote for ? Avi Lewis? not vote?
If Karma took Trump this weekend I imagine the Gripen crowd would find something else to focus on that did not include
DND and the celebration would last a week.

No idea. Thats not a question I will ever have to worry about, personally,

 

[Czech_pivo]

Hopefully we can stay out of conflicts that do not directly affect Fortress North America, maintain strong trade relationships with all partners, and keep other nations' problems from reaching our shores.

I see a role for both aircraft within a balanced fleet. We should also pursue domestic production of the Gripen, providing Canada with a wartime manufacturing base and the ability to sustain and expand production when needed.

would you add or alter - 'we should also pursue domestic production of the Gripen, along with the ability to produce future GCAP related production should Canada formally join GCAP.'

 

[Halifax Tar]

would you add or alter - 'we should also pursue domestic production of the Gripen, along with the ability to produce future GCAP related production should Canada formally join GCAP.'

No. Remember I am not the Europhile most are. I would continue to work with my American counter parts. Current bumps in the road be damned. Geography trumps all, IMHO.

 

[Czech_pivo]

No. Remember I am not the Europhile most are. I would continue to work with my American counter parts. Current bumps in the road be damned. Geography trumps all, IMHO.

Understood.

But the US has said that the F-47 will NOT be available to any but themselves, so we need an alternative.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

What if we put the fighter jet argument in this context:
CF-35: peacetime aircraft we can use for NORAD and limited international conflicts where the risk to losing one is acceptable. They are expensive to replace, expensive to maintain, and more complex to learn to fly to maximize its capabilities
SAAB Gripen: the wartime aircraft that can be replaced at the speed they are lost in combat. Cheaper and quicker to build, maintain, and train pilots on

So where do we see Canada in future conflicts?

What fiction is this?

Annual F35 production- 156

Annual Grippen production- 15. Maybe rising to 30.

How is 15-30 aircraft/year “wartime production”?

The Gripen fanboy thing is frankly unhinged. It is almost as bad as that whole M113 Gavin thing a few years back…

 

[Halifax Tar]

Understood.

But the US has said that the F-47 will NOT be available to any but themselves, so we need an alternative.

I personally believe that if we consistently meet our defence commitments, particularly those related to continental defence, this will change.

That said, the F-35 remains the best option currently available. While I support a mixed-fleet approach and see value in aircraft such as the Gripen, if forced to choose between the two, I would prioritize the F-35. In my view, its capabilities and long-term relevance make it the platform Canada should not compromise on.

 

[YZT580]

No. Remember I am not the Europhile most are. I would continue to work with my American counter parts. Current bumps in the road be damned. Geography trumps all, IMHO.

not an expert by any means on the different advantages to each but pursuing your line of argument wouldn't the F16 should it go into an upgrade make a better selection?

 

[childs56]

What fiction is this?

Annual F35 production- 156

How many are fully operational?

Annual Grippen production- 15. Maybe rising to 30.

How is 15-30 aircraft/year “wartime production”?

Steady production for the required need. They need more clients and also more manufacturing capacity then they already have. They also need a safe secure off shore partner that they can up production and manufacturing if and when required. Canada fits that bill entirely.

The Gripen fanboy thing is frankly unhinged. It is almost as bad as that whole M113 Gavin thing a few years back…

not an expert by any means on the different advantages to each but pursuing your line of argument wouldn't the F16 should it go into an upgrade make a better selection?

This is a interesting question.
How does the F16 compare to the Gripen E?
Would people be as adverse to to a mixed fleet of lets say F35s and F16s?