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The strategy behind Senate Iraq war vote

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While our parliamentary system is different, expect related hijacking by the Canadian opposition parties in this flavor.....

The strategy behind Senate Iraq war vote
An amendment to set a timetable for US troop withdrawal was defeated Wednesday.
By Gail Russell Chaddock | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor July 19, 2007 edition
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The Levin-Reed Iraq Amendment:

1. Requires the president to begin reducing the number of US troops in Iraq within 120 days after enactment of the measure

2. Mandates transitioning the mission of remaining US military troops to force protection, training of Iraqi security forces, and counterterrorism

3. Requires that this transition be completed by April 30, 2008

4. Calls for a comprehensive diplomatic, political, and economic strategy to stabilize Iraq

5. Seeks the appointment of an international mediator under the guidance of the UN Security Council


Washington - The unused metal cots outside the Senate chamber were folded away and the pizza cartons carted away. A rare all-night session leading to Wednesday's key vote about withdrawing troops from Iraq provided high drama on Capitol Hill.

Never mind that the amendment went down to certain defeat. Or that the legislative marathon changed only a single vote in the Senate. Washington's political theater is part of a deliberate political strategy aimed at living rooms across America. By presenting the choice over the future of the Iraq war in the starkest possible terms, Democrats hope to convince Americans of the need to change course and ratchet up the political pressure on Republican lawmakers supporting President Bush.

"The goal of Democrats was clear: to put Republicans on record on where they stand on an unpopular war and to keep Iraq in the news, which is not good for the Bush administration," says Julian Zelizer, a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. "On these two levels, they were successful, even if no new legislation will come out of it. Democrats want Iraq to be for President Bush what Vietnam became for President Johnson: an all-consuming issue, where nothing else can be discussed."

Democrats plan similar votes in the House to force Republicans to express publicly views on a war that has lost the support of most Americans.

Indeed, polls suggest that Americans are frustrated with Mr. Bush's "surge" strategy and favor a draw down of forces. According to a Gallup Poll last week, 71 percent favor a proposal to remove almost all US troops from Iraq by April 2008, leaving a limited number of troops for counterterror efforts. But there remains a partisan divide. The same poll found that 54 percent of Republicans opposed the idea. It's this divide that Congress appears to be reflecting. While most lawmakers oppose the administration's current strategy, they have not come to a consensus over the alternative.
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Even Pollyanna is having a hard time finding the positive today GAP. 
 
Kirkhill said:
Even Pollyanna is having a hard time finding the positive today GAP.   

The positive is that the measure failed to get enough votes to end cloture. If the voters wanted to get out of Iraq they would have told their elected represenatives to make it happen. This is why every attempt to force Bush to quit Iraq has failed. Now they are going to hold up the defense appropriation bill probably to try again. The dem's are going to have a hard time in 08 and quite likely will lose their majority.
 
tomahawk6 said:
The positive is that the measure failed to get enough votes to end cloture. If the voters wanted to get out of Iraq they would have told their elected represenatives to make it happen. This is why every attempt to force Bush to quit Iraq has failed. Now they are going to hold up the defense appropriation bill probably to try again. The dem's are going to have a hard time in 08 and quite likely will lose their majority.

Why do all the news mags and editorials say just the opposite then that people voted a Dem majority to get out of Iraq?
(I mean that as a sincere question, not adversarial at all)
 
tomahawk6 said:
This is why every attempt to force Bush to quit Iraq has failed. Now they are going to hold up the defense appropriation bill probably to try again. The dem's are going to have a hard time in 08 and quite likely will lose their majority.

Almost everything is going to depend on who the Republicans run on the next ticket, because he's got to overcome Hilary and Oh Bambi or whatever his name is. Right now, from the cheap seats, it looks like the Republicans can't get their head out of their arse, let alone run a credible candidate....Guilani is a possibility, but that is only because he's got the profile from being mayor of NY...the others strike me as being NO NAME also rans....
 
tomahawk6 said:
The positive is that the measure failed to get enough votes to end cloture. If the voters wanted to get out of Iraq they would have told their elected represenatives to make it happen. This is why every attempt to force Bush to quit Iraq has failed. Now they are going to hold up the defense appropriation bill probably to try again. The dem's are going to have a hard time in 08 and quite likely will lose their majority.

True T6.  And I sincerely hope that President Bush manages to hang on for the next 20 months or so.   My concern is less for that near term though than the prospect that MoveOn.Org and the rest of the Socialist International are going to prevail in the longer term.  My sense is that a combined sense of honest principle, envy and sheer hatred motivates that particular mob to the point that they are more concerned about hauling down their "traditional" enemy than facing up to the new one.

Of "honest principle": many do believe in authoritarian government, the right Truth and corporatism and fear the "anarchy" of individualism, rationalism and laisser faire capitalism.

Of "envy": it must be hard to see people that are doing everything so very very wrongly, and in contravention to all your principles, succeeding so stunningly while you sit mired.  At least those with religions have the comfort that if the Devil rules in this world they will get their reward in the next.  What comfort does a poor atheistic socialist have when they see capitalism succeed and socialism fail?

Of "hatred": some people, some institutions, have been fighting individualism, rationalism and laisser faire capitalism for so long, centuries in some cases, and have backed so many different champions over that time, that they no longer know what they stand for, what they like.  They only know what they hate and that hatred blinds them to everything else.

From their point of view the Authoritarians of Islam at least believe in the same things they do: "authoritarian government, the right Truth and corporatism and fear the "anarchy" of individualism, rationalism and laisser faire capitalism."

From the Islamic side of the equation: the wrong side won in World War 2.  They were banking on the "corporatist authoritarians" to win and set right the mess that World War 1 had created: The Ottoman Caliphate being destroyed by a rational, secular muslim; atheist communists to the North; and their economies subject to the vagaries of the free market.  Not that they have anything against free markets.  Just so long as it is THEIR free market.

While I believe there exists a middle class in every society that is willing to take a middle road between anarchy and authority my biggest fear is that we can't reach enough of the potential "new recruits" in the developing world fast enough as the message is buried in the noise generated by our own authoritarians - both feudal and socialist.
 
What the democrats are attempting to do with their allies in the MSM is to convince the american people that the war in Iraq is lost. They didnt campaign on anything in 06 to gain a mandate. The election was lost by the arrogance of the republicans and the voters sent them a message which some still havent seem to have gotten. The democrats biggest problem is that in domestic politics they are the party of big government and higher taxes. That line was blurred in 06 because of the irresponsible spending by the republican congress. The democrats are back to increasing taxes which is a non starter for many in this country. Historically the republicans have been strong on defense issues and the democrats have been weak just as your Liberal Party in Canada. Right now most americans dont want to see another 9-11 so security is a #1 issue and immigration is a close second and the democrats are weak on both.
 
Kirkhill said:
 My concern is less for that near term though than the prospect that MoveOn.Org and the rest of the Socialist International are going to prevail in the longer term.  My sense is that a combined sense of honest principle, envy and sheer hatred motivates that particular mob to the point that they are more concerned about hauling down their "traditional" enemy than facing up to the new one.
The problem is that whilst our leaders change at the whim of the electorate, these turds are always around. They'd be just as happy seeing us defeated in Iraq as they would a withdrawl. Their logic is simple: campaign for a withdrawl -> get it -> blame the resulting mess on those you claim you didn't want there in the first place. 'Critisize everything' is their order of the day. And since they'll never hold majority rule themselves, the slander is all one way traffic. As bad as it is now, does anyone really think things would be better if we hadn't done anything at all about Iraq/Afghanistan?
 
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