The vibe shift, end of "wokeness"?

[Navy_Pete]

Step 1 is banning pronouns in signature blocks.

I think that's actually really useful so you don't accidentally call a senior officer sir or ma'am and get it wrong.

I also don't know why anyone cares if it's there.

 

[dapaterson]

I also don't know why anyone cares if it's there.

Maybe those are the snowflakes?

 

[Jarnhamar]

I think that's actually really useful so you don't accidentally call a senior officer sir or ma'am and get it wrong.

Easy fix there is to just use someone's rank, or rank & name.

I also don't know why anyone cares if it's there.

Yeah, it's not life or death. Mostly a pet peeve [like CD1 or LT(Navy)].

To be a bit pedantic, I'm not sure if it's approved by the TB for signature blocks? Then again not many people follow those rules (including all ya'all with fancy quotes and pictures).

To be really positive spacey, when members are pressured (or ordered) to have pronouns in their signature block it may be uncomfortable [non-inclusive] for non-binary members who make a point of not using pronouns, including they/them.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

My pronoun is Chief. That's what I tell my sailors.

Just like I used to tell pilots that my cool flying name was "Fucking Sir"....

 

[Navy_Pete]

Easy fix there is to just use someone's rank, or rank & name.


Yeah, it's not life or death. Mostly a pet peeve [like CD1 or LT(Navy)].

To be a bit pedantic, I'm not sure if it's approved by the TB for signature blocks? Then again not many people follow those rules (including all ya'all with fancy quotes and pictures).

To be really positive spacey, when members are pressured (or ordered) to have pronouns in their signature block it may be uncomfortable [non-inclusive] for non-binary members who make a point of not using pronouns, including they/them.

I'm not sure if it was TB directed, but there was something a few years ago about requiring it in signature block formats, and have seen it in OGDs as well, so wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of GoC thing.

In general, find a lot of things people complain about being woke is just because it means they can't be an asshole in some respect or another.

 

[ArmyRick]

In general, find a lot of things people complain about being woke is just because it means they can't be an asshole in some respect or another

Not really. Its about stopping narratives that are partially truthful, misrepresented or downright bullshit.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I'm not sure if it was TB directed, but there was something a few years ago about requiring it in signature block formats, and have seen it in OGDs as well, so wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of GoC thing.

In general, find a lot of things people complain about being woke is just because it means they can't be an asshole in some respect or another.

It was TBS led. DND was told to comply.

Like most things though, spotty enforcement.

Frankly, we have bigger fish to fry with our poor IM practices than email signatures.

 

[Jarnhamar]

There's always a bigger fish

 

[Kilted]

I'm not sure if it was TB directed, but there was something a few years ago about requiring it in signature block formats, and have seen it in OGDs as well, so wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of GoC thing.

In general, find a lot of things people complain about being woke is just because it means they can't be an asshole in some respect or another.

I've never actually been told to but it in. I'm not sure how lawful an order it would be for us to be compleed to share our pronouns. Although, I'm sure a simple conversation with a Padra could lead to a "no pronouns in signature box" chit.

 

[dangerboy]

The new direction is only available on DWAN but here is what the older direction says Rescinded [2022-05-04] - Standard on Email Management- Canada.ca

Except for elements that are presented as optional, the signature block must contain the elements described below:

• Line one: The sender's name, which may include a rank or a designation when the rank or designation is a requirement for the continuation of the performance of the duties of the employee's position.
• Line two (OPTIONAL): The sender's personal gender pronouns in brackets in both official languages. These are the pronouns that the sender wishes to use when being spoken about.
• Line three: No content (empty line).
• Line four: The sender's title and departmental branch, in the first official language required to comply with the Directive on Official Languages for Communications and Services.
• Line five: The department's applied title as prescribed in the Registry of Applied Titles (Appendix C of the Federal Identity Program Policy), in the first official language required, and the words "Government of Canada"[1] for the English-first stacked signature block or "Gouvernement du Canada" for the French-first stacked signature block.
• Line six: Email address, telephone and teletypewriter, in the first official language required, each separated by a forward slash.
  • The telephone number must appear with the area code in the following format:
    • 613-999-1234, including an extension number where applicable.
    • Preceded by "Tel:" in English or "Tél. : " in French.
    • Cellular numbers provided on government-approved devices such as cellular phones, smart phones and other devices can be included:
      • As the primary telephone number and identified by the abbreviation "Tel:" in English or "Tél. : " in French; or
      • As a secondary telephone number and identified by the abbreviation "Cel:" in English or "Tél. cell. : " in French.
  • The teletypewriter number with the area code is to appear in the format 819-999-1234 preceded by the abbreviation "TTY:" in English or "ATS : " in French.
• Line seven: No content (empty line).
• Line eight: The sender's title and departmental branch in the second official language.
• Line nine: The department's applied title as prescribed in the Registry of Applied Titles (Appendix C of the Federal Identity Program Policy), in the second official language required, and the words "Gouvernement du Canada" for the English-first stacked signature block or "Government of Canada" for the French-first stacked signature block.
• Line ten: Email address, telephone and teletypewriter, in the second official language required, each separated by a forward slash.
• Line eleven: No content (empty line).
• Line twelve: Approved disclaimer text, if applicable.

If I remember correctly the newer version only available on DWAN still had line 2 as optional

 

[YZT580]

The new direction is only available on DWAN but here is what the older direction says Rescinded [2022-05-04] - Standard on Email Management- Canada.ca




If I remember correctly the newer version only available on DWAN still had line 2 as optional

do what I did, signature Mdme X

 

[daftandbarmy]

The new direction is only available on DWAN but here is what the older direction says Rescinded [2022-05-04] - Standard on Email Management- Canada.ca




If I remember correctly the newer version only available on DWAN still had line 2 as optional

FWIW, in the workplace outside of the CAF and federal government, I've noticed that the whole pronoun thing is going away.

As is the 'territorial acknowledgement' thing.

Nature is healing

 

[Kilted]

FWIW, in the workplace outside of the CAF and federal government, I've noticed that the whole pronoun thing is going away.

As is the 'territorial acknowledgement' thing.

Nature is healing

 

[OldSolduer]

The whole woke thing was overdone by the zealous factions of several communities. It actually was counter productive.

So we had a Allyship poster up at work detailing how to be an ally to the LGBTQ community - it has now been removed.

 

[childs56]

FWIW, in the workplace outside of the CAF and federal government, I've noticed that the whole pronoun thing is going away.

As is the 'territorial acknowledgement' thing.

Nature is healing

Not in Alberta neither are. If anything they are building upon it.

 

[NavyShooter]

We still have the explainer poster about menopause in the male washroom here at work. Then again, maybe it's not a bad idea for men to understand what their spouses/SO's are facing in life.

I'll observe I haven't seen a tampon dispenser here though.

 

[OldSolduer]

Apparently DJT is going to sign some executive orders that will affect DEI programs in the US.

Can you hear the hand wringing and crying?

 

[markppcli]

Easy fix there is to just use someone's rank, or rank & name.


Yeah, it's not life or death. Mostly a pet peeve [like CD1 or LT(Navy)].

To be a bit pedantic, I'm not sure if it's approved by the TB for signature blocks? Then again not many people follow those rules (including all ya'all with fancy quotes and pictures).

To be really positive spacey, when members are pressured (or ordered) to have pronouns in their signature block it may be uncomfortable [non-inclusive] for non-binary members who make a point of not using pronouns, including they/them.

I talk to civilians running programs. There’s enough times where I’ve had to clarify if it’s a sir or maam and I’d prefer not to default to a first name off the hop. So yeah it’s useful.

 

[dangerboy]

For those that are really curious here is the DWAN link to the policy regarding email signature blocks in DND: https://collaboration-img.forces.mi...d Defence CIO Promulgated/en/IMS_6001-1-4.pdf

 

[ArmyRick]

For those of us not stuck in the current version of the CAF, in other words those of us not dealing with petty BS such as pronouns on signature blocks, what other ways are we seeing/have seen the end of wokeness?

Very interesting that in the original video I posted, the dude mentioned this has been building up for over 50 years in western developed nations and hyper accelerated ten years ago or so.

I am curious. Did the soviet union feed into the anti-war narrative of the 60s and 70s? Have other nations or organizations feed into "anti-establishment/culture" narratives over the years on things like the environment, globalization, more anti-war/NATO, wealth status, etc?

Who benefits from a collapse of western developed civilization?