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The War in Ukraine
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Czech_pivo
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Or Vlad still having a travel ban outside his 10ish shit hole list of current countries he can travel to?
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Credit where due, cannot disagree with you re: what the West (not just the U.S.) coulda/shoulda done earlier on.
To stop the shooting, maybe - we'll see how the negotiations go & how said hammer's used.
Again, we'll see.
One observer's "face-saving way out" is another's "no consequences for armed aggression against a neighbour." ISW did a bit of a reminder piece this week about how the last "deal" between UKR & USSR 2.0 went, and offers some lessons that can be learned ....
Fingers crossed ....
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At least Chamberlain did what he did because he knew they were going to go to war with Germany they just needed time to build up as they weren’t ready (some of the documents released in the last decade explains his stance, it isn’t the naive we aren’t going to fight germany that it has historically been portrayed as).
Trump isn’t like Chamberlain, he has everything he could possibly need, he is just throwing them to the wolves.
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another big difference is that none of NATO or the US has to actually fight in the war or bear the costs of it. Even the support is spread out
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Ground News is a great resource too.Love him or hate him, he's the dealmaker, so I suspect it's hard wired - especially dealing with parties he feels he has over a barrel.
Meanwhile, word of some movement via Truth Social here and here (highlights mine) ....
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Interesting difference in tone between the two updates. We'll see how things unfold now
Late edit, adding some MSM and US state media* updates:
Trump vows to 'immediately' negotiate for end to Ukraine war
US president vows to begin immediate negotiations with Putin, Zelenskyywww.voanews.com
Trump Says He And Putin Agreed To 'Start Negotiations Immediately' On Ending War In Ukraine
U.S. President Donald Trump says he had a "lengthy and highly productive" phone call with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin.www.rferl.org
Trump says Putin agrees to start negotiations to end war in Ukraine
The two leaders speak in a phone call and agree to start negotiations "immediately" over the war in Ukraine.www.bbc.com
Trump talks with Ukraine President Zelenksyy following Putin call
President Trump spoke by phone with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy Wednesday, the White House said, after talking earlier to Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending their long-running war.www.washingtontimes.com
Donald Trump call with Vladimir Putin confirms Ukraine not in driving seat
The BBC's Frank Gardner says improved relations between DC and Moscow may spell trouble for Kyiv.
Trump says Russia agrees to 'immediately' begin negotiations to end war in Ukraine
President Donald Trump announced he had a "lengthy" call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that their respective teams will begin negotiations over the war in Ukraine.www.foxnews.com
* - No, not being partisan here. Voice of America is "VOA is part of the U.S. Agency for Global Media (USAGM), the government agency that oversees all non-military, U.S. international broadcasting. It is funded by the U.S. Congress," including the editorials "Reflecting the Views of the U.S. Government"
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The US and even NATO officially can create whatever deals they want. Russia will break them and Ukraine will never agree to them without real (enforceable) security guarantees and will keep fighting alone if needs must which will keep Russia fighting until it can't.
Nixon had the best take on handling the Russians of the cold war and later presidents (JFK wasn't too bad either) as does Kaja Kallas of the current crop of 'leaders' in NATO.
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Ukraine is actually ‘winning’ currently. Russian ground offensives have stalled, and Ukraine has gradually begun retaking some territory (and some more Russian land in Kursk). Russia has less troops in Ukraine at this moment than any other since the invasion as they have stopped being able to replace casualties as quick as they occur.
Now most of this is due to the last minute Hail Mary by President Biden (just think what could have occurs if he hadn’t slow walked aid).
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QV doesn’t like to let reality interfere with his narrative.
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Or being held accountable for its literally THOUSANDS if documented war crimes or returning all kidnapped kids and prisioners
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exacty, russia is now filled will thousands of war criminals, and if russia is not held accountable, Geneva isn't worth the paper its written on, nor is any peace deal
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FTFY
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I don’t think he’s a Russian sympathizer, I just think he drinks too much cool-aid from folks who are.
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JEF Leaders' Summit Emphasizes Continued Support for Ukraine
Security developments in Europe, support for Ukraine, and increased defence cooperation were among the topics discussed by the leaders of the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) at their summit in Tallinn, Estonia, which concluded today. Foreign Minister Þórdís Kolbrún Reykfjörð Gylfadóttir attended...
Joint Expeditionary Force Summit results in agreement on additional support to Ukraine and the measures to strengthen regional security
At the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) Summit in Tallinn, leaders of 10 NATO member states, including Baltic and Nordic countries, the United Kingdom, and the…
www.mk.gov.lv
Joint Expeditionary Force nations reiterate strong commitment to Ukraine, regional security
'We reiterate that Ukraine’s victory is vital to all our security and the preservation of rules-based international order,' read joint statement - Anadolu Ajansı
www.aa.com.tr
The Joint Expeditionary Force and its Contribution to European Security
As the new UK government undertakes its Strategic Defence Review, this paper provides recommendations for the UK to strengthen the Joint Expeditionary Force to increase its value to NATO and best contribute to European security.
www.rusi.org
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UK’s Starmer opens door to peacekeeping force for Ukraine
UK prime minister — on trip to Kyiv — says his country will ‘play our part’ in supporting peace when it comes.
www.politico.eu
British troops ‘can lead Ukraine peacekeeping mission despite cutbacks’
Military chiefs insist ‘UK is in a strong position’ but no ‘deep military planning’ had yet taken place on the subject
www.telegraph.co.uk
Ex-ministers call for UK to join post-war Ukraine peacekeeping force
Volodymyr Zelensky is expected to raise the issue during Keir Starmer’s upcoming trip to Kyiv
www.independent.co.uk
UK Weighs Three Scenarios for Possible Troop Deployments to Ukraine
A potential deployment could involve thousands of British troops, despite warnings from military leaders about the UK’s limited capacity for full-scale war.
www.kyivpost.com
Europe split over peacekeeping force for Ukraine
Germany is opposed and the UK and France support a tens of thousands-strong deployment if a ceasefire is agreed
www.thetimes.com
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Whither the wobbling weathervane ....
US leaves Europe.
JEF fills a gap (Boris's nuclear deterrent was accepted as realish - Starmer's)
www.gov.uk
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
www.politico.eu
France inclined to side with JEF (Macron's nuclear deterrent?)
kyivindependent.com
Germany doesn't want anything to do with this - but it is a member of the European Sky Shield system
....
So whither Canada?
JEF includes Greenland.
Does Canada join JEF? How does JEF work with Trump's NATO and Trump's NORAD?
US leaves Europe.
JEF fills a gap (Boris's nuclear deterrent was accepted as realish - Starmer's)
UK and Ukraine sign landmark 100 Year Partnership to deepen security ties and strengthen partnership for future generations
The UK and Ukraine will sign a historic partnership, as the Prime Minister travels to the country to meet President Zelenskyy.
UK and Poland to launch new defence treaty
Prime Minister Keir Starmer has announced plans for a new UK-Poland Treaty aimed at addressing growing security threats in Europe.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk
Ukraine strikes security deal with Poland
Poland says it will supply weapons to Ukraine as long as that doesn’t undermine its own security.
www.politico.eu
France inclined to side with JEF (Macron's nuclear deterrent?)
Italy willing to join potential peacekeeping mission in Ukraine, defense minister says
"I hope to talk about peace, about peacekeeping, as soon as possible in Ukraine, but also in Gaza and Lebanon," Defense Minister Guido Crosetto told journalists in Madrid when asked about the possibility of Rome deploying peacekeepers in Ukraine.
kyivindependent.com
Germany doesn't want anything to do with this - but it is a member of the European Sky Shield system
....
So whither Canada?
JEF includes Greenland.
Does Canada join JEF? How does JEF work with Trump's NATO and Trump's NORAD?
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