The War in Ukraine

[Quirky]

Russia testing NATOs red line for a response.

 

[KevinB]

Nato intercepts Russian warplanes violating Estonian airspace

Estonia says three Russian MiG-31 fighter jets remained in Estonian airspace for 12 minutes.

www.bbc.com

Another accidental incursion?

NATO should ‘accidentally’ shoot them down.

 

[Eaglelord17]

NATO should ‘accidentally’ shoot them down.

Does it need to be ‘accidental’?

Aircraft entered their airspace with no transponders, to me that is a unilateral act of war and deserves a appropriate response. Nothing wrong with defending your airspace from a unidentified military aircraft.

 

[HavokFour]

Ah, the ol' Turkish method may be warranted. Hasn't failed yet.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Does it need to be ‘accidental’?

Aircraft entered their airspace with no transponders, to me that is a unilateral act of war and deserves an appropriate response. Nothing wrong with defending your airspace from an unidentified military aircraft.

I think some reporter needs to ask Trump this question, ‘What would be the reaction of the US if Russian jets entered US airspace for 12 mins?’

 

[HavokFour]

I think some reporter needs to ask Trump this question, ‘What would be the reaction of the US if Russian jets entered US airspace for 12 mins?’

Estonia triggered Article 4, so there's a good chance the Press is going to be asking him questions soon.

In other news, the CEO of the only company in Russia that makes carbon fire has been "windowed".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1969095937663352944

 

[HavokFour]

Defense Tech Valley 2025 happened in Lviv today. Whole new slew of drones and associated tech about to make it's battlefield debut.

What Next-Gen Weapons Is Ukraine Showcasing at Defense Tech Valley 2025?

Investment in Ukrainian defense tech surged as firms pledge over $100 million, reshaping Europe’s approach to military innovation.

united24media.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Does it need to be ‘accidental’?

Aircraft entered their airspace with no transponders, to me that is a unilateral act of war and deserves a appropriate response. Nothing wrong with defending your airspace from a unidentified military aircraft.

"What? Was that a Russian jet? It didn't identify itself so we shot it down? I am shocked! Shocked, I tell you. My condolences to his family."

And the hybrid war continues.

Nobody knows nuffink about nuffink, no how.

 

[OldSolduer]

In other news, the CEO of the only company in Russia that makes carbon fire has been "windowed".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1969095937663352944

Gee that's too bad.

 

[HavokFour]

Cooking again, that's twice this week for Saratov.

Ukraine strikes oil refineries in Russia's Saratov and Samara oblasts, military confirms

Ukraine's General Staff said that it had struck two oil refineries overnight on Sept. 20 in Russia's Saratov and Samara oblasts, confirming earlier reports on social media from Russian residents.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Lumber]

Do you think Ukraine is actually trying to completely destroy Russia's oil manufacturing capacity, and is simply unable?

Or are they able to, but unwilling to go scorched earth, for fear that that would elicit a more extreme response from Russia? Are they just trying to slowly make Russians lives more difficult without ignited an unwanted fire?

 

[HavokFour]

Do you think Ukraine is actually trying to completely destroy Russia's oil manufacturing capacity, and is simply unable?

Or are they able to, but unwilling to go scorched earth, for fear that that would elicit a more extreme response from Russia? Are they just trying to slowly make Russians lives more difficult without ignited an unwanted fire?

More that they'll be waiting indefinitely for the foot dragging (much like the trickling of military aid) on sanctions to stop and no guarantee certain countries will even abide by them. So the solution is to apply more permanent sanctions directly to the source themselves, and so far to it's had great effect and probably more so than actual sanctions.

Zelenskyy accuses allies of ‘wasting time’ as he prepares for Trump meeting

Ukrainian president will urge his US counterpart to impose more sanctions on Russia when they meet next week

www.theguardian.com

Putin Decides He Can Step Up Attacks on Kyiv and Trump Won’t Act​

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Do you think Ukraine is actually trying to completely destroy Russia's oil manufacturing capacity, and is simply unable?

Or are they able to, but unwilling to go scorched earth, for fear that that would elicit a more extreme response from Russia? Are they just trying to slowly make Russians lives more difficult without ignited an unwanted fire?

I think that Ukraine is going as fast as they can with the weapons they have at hand.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Do you think Ukraine is actually trying to completely destroy Russia's oil manufacturing capacity, and is simply unable?

Or are they able to, but unwilling to go scorched earth, for fear that that would elicit a more extreme response from Russia? Are they just trying to slowly make Russians lives more difficult without ignited an unwanted fire?

Economic forces are doing more damage than drones, it seems, but the damage is helping disrupt production...

Russia's Oil and Gas Revenues Face Significant September Decline​

• Russia's oil and gas revenues are expected to fall by 23% in September year-on-year due to declining international crude prices and a stronger ruble.
• This decline poses a challenge for Russia's 2026 budget and continued spending on the war in Ukraine.
• Despite a rise in petroleum product shipments in August, overall crude and fuel export revenue slumped due to wider discounts and refinery disruptions.

Russia's Oil and Gas Revenues Face Significant September Decline | OilPrice.com

Russia's oil and gas revenues are projected to significantly decline in September due to lower crude prices and a stronger ruble, impacting the Kremlin's budget.

oilprice.com