This is such crap!!!!!!!

[rw4th]

The only "goryâ ? semi-real part of Saving Private Ryan is the beginning. A part from that its really just a ho-hum movie

Now, a Band of Brothers marathon, that would have been interesting.

As for AJ and Fox, AJ does not slam Canada as Fox does.

The problem is that most of Al-Jazeera is not broadcast in a language the average person in Canada understands. They can't even make sure that offensive content is censored because the CRTC does not have the resources to have an Arab speaking translators on hand 24/7. For all we know â Å“activationâ ? instructions are being passed on to terror cells in North America.

As for the slamming: how do you know? Do you understand Arabic? Do you watch it 24/7?

I happen to like Fox News, and don't think that they say anything really bad about Canada, and when they do its nothing that we do not deserve IMO.

 

[Alex252]

There was a Band of Brothers marathon a while ago on CH if any of you get it

 

[Recce41]

rw4th
FOX new is NOT FOX network stations. In Windsor Ont, we get FOX network. On Fox they have that dick Bil O'Rilley. He slams Canada bad has called us everthing from Cowards, French lovers. GD, Is't Quebec in Canada?. FOX is for Bush, CNN is/was pro Kerry.
As for AJ back home I know friends (soldiers)that are Arab and subscribe to AJ. It is Anti-American, and does has subtitleing sometimes.
Remember Canada is not their enemy, to them we are the one that said NO, to attacking Iraq. The Country that it doesn't matter if you are Christen, Jew or Muslum. A country that has true morals. True Muslums are not terrorists, and if so what about the French in New England in the 1650s, Americans in the 1770s, the Partisians in WW2, Jews in 46-48 killing Brits, (Greeces) in Cyprus in the 50,60s killing the Brits, etc. A terrorist is only a terrorist if they are not on your side.
:evil: :tank:

 

[rw4th]

FOX new is NOT FOX network stations

Yes, I'm quite aware of that, hence my referring to it as Fox News (I travel frequently to the US on business and I do enjoy watching it).

The fact that Bill O'Reilley does not like Canada is not a good reason to not air Fox News in Canada. In fact, I'm a Canadian and I agree with on quite a few points they make.

In the end though, they can bash Canada all they want, if you don't like it, you should have the option of just not paying for the channel (it's a cable channel so you can do that). The same with HBO, FX, and other American networks the CRTC deems are evil and should not be viewed by Canadians.

Anyway, rant aside; my point is that the CRTC is just as bad, if not worse then the FCC when it comes to censorship; Canada has no moral high ground to stand on.

True Muslums are not terrorists

I believe we've discussed this at length here http://army.ca/forums/threads/18982.0.html
Bottom line: there is not such thing as true Islam just like their no true Christianity. It's all subjective and open to each group's interpretation of scriptures and their own agendas. If you disagree, just revive that thread and I'll be glad to share my opinions there.

 

[Recce41]

4th
Yes you are right, it pay TV. As for HBO, FX, etc they are not rated by the CRTC. It is because it will conflict with our movie channels. My brother in law had HBO on his for a while.  I watch Fox news also., just to get the other side.
Bottom line, both the FCC and CRTC are screwed up. as you said. But here in Canada we are not just blk and wht as in the states. We have left/right, up and down. Just watch Kink TV, Bravo, SEX TV, IFN. None of them would get on the US Sat. agree?

 

[Acorn]

Fox News is only "fair and balanced" when stood up next to the likes of Comical Ali.

That being said, has anyone considered that the non-airing of SPR is due to a lack of desire to broadcast bloody war images while the Marines are fighting house-to-house in Falluja?

Acorn

 

[Michael Dorosh]

That being said, has anyone considered that the non-airing of SPR is due to a lack of desire to broadcast bloody war images while the Marines are fighting house-to-house in Falluja?

Acorn

Would it be wrong, if that was the case? 

 

[Acorn]

That would depend on which side of the political divide one sits.

Acorn

 

[a_majoor]

One of the theams of SPR is that sacrifice is right and can serve a good cause. Many of the left-wing media people in the States might also have been thinking that SPR might "validate" the American sacrifice in Iraq. If you think that's cynical, havn't you noticed the MSM NEVER airs or publishes pictures of 9/11; it might remind Americans there was a good reason to support President Bush after all...

 

[muskrat89]

Just watch Kink TV, Bravo, SEX TV, IFN. None of them would get on the US Sat. agree?

Ummm... I have those on our satellite channels....  ???

 

[Art Johnson]

When this program came on the other night I immediately switched to another channell I had seen SPR before and was not favourbly impressed by it. I watched the program "A War Of Their Own" on PBS" Apparently this program was so popular that night that it overwelmed the stations telephone system and crashed it. Most of the calls for support were from Cananda. The calls were from coast to coast as the program was carried on satelite.
I was not at the Normandy Invasion but I have been in battle and maybe it is the way the Americans do things, I doubt it. There has to be some control and if you have everybody hooting and hollering how can you have control.
The entire premise of the movie to me is not believable, it may make a good story and be entertaining but it leaves me cold.
One particular scene that turned me off was when the troops were taking 60mm mortar bombs and striking them on the ground tail first then throwing them as hand grenades, frankly I seriously doubt that could happen. I don't think that a hand strike would be enough to release the shutter and activate the bomb.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

When this program came on the other night I immediately switched to another channell I had seen SPR before and was not favourbly impressed by it. I watched the program "A War Of Their Own" on PBS" Apparently this program was so popular that night that it overwelmed the stations telephone system and crashed it. Most of the calls for support were from Cananda. The calls were from coast to coast as the program was carried on satelite.
I was not at the Normandy Invasion but I have been in battle and maybe it is the way the Americans do things, I doubt it. There has to be some control and if you have everybody hooting and hollering how can you have control.
The entire premise of the movie to me is not believable, it may make a good story and be entertaining but it leaves me cold.
One particular scene that turned me off was when the troops were taking 60mm mortar bombs and striking them on the ground tail first then throwing them as hand grenades, frankly I seriously doubt that could happen. I don't think that a hand strike would be enough to release the shutter and activate the bomb.

There is absolutely no shred of actual military practices anywhere in SPR.  However, the 60mm mortar bomb scene was based on the Medal of Honor winning actions of an actual soldier - so I'm told.  Even if that is true, why base every thing in the movie on the exceptions rather than the rule?

Think about it - Carlos Hathcock, the Marine sniper, actually got a "through the telescope" shot on another sniper for real.  How often did that happen?  In the movie SPR, Jackson CHANGES HIS SIGHT on the fly, in the rain, doesn't zero the weapon, and gets a bullseye through another sniper's telescopic sight. 

Poppycock.

Why is an MG42 on a tripod (a company level asset) sitting on its own in a sandbag bunker with no one else around for miles?  (If there were anyone else around, our heroes would not have had time to stop and bury the US paratroopers!!)

More poppycock.

The Thompson firing through the driver's view slit on the Tiger (the real ones had bulletproof glass there) is another example; or the fact that the Tigers' bow machineguns apparently don't work.

Of course, the entire premise of 8 men going behind enemy lines to take a soldier back home is beyond silly to begin with, as is the notion that the first wave got off of Omaha in 20 minutes.

Having said all that, SPR revitalized interest in the Second World War for a new generation of movie goers, and many more people today - in Canada too - are seeking out more information on what happend in WW II (and Korea, Art).

 

[foerestedwarrior]

Im surprised that i seem to be the only one to pick up that fact that not one US Ranger landed on Omaha beach They only landed at Pont du Hoc.

Though i do agree that even though there is alot of innacuracys, they are inspiring alot of interest in our past, and creating alot of awareness. In the Toronto Sun yesterday one of the vets made a comment that there used to only be a handfull of people show up on Rememberance Day, now there are usualy hundreds, even in small towns.

 

[Recce41]

Muskrat
I know they are not on any North Eastern Channels. Or at least the ones I watch on US Sat..

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Im surprised that i seem to be the only one to pick up that fact that not one US Ranger landed on Omaha beach They only landed at Pont du Hoc.

What are you talking about?  Elements of two Ranger Battalions did indeed land on Omaha - where do you think their motto RANGERS LEAD THE WAY comes from?  General Norman Cota is reported to have looked at soldiers floundering on the beach "You're Rangers, aren't you?  Then get up and lead the way!"  This may be a fictionalized version of what really happened - but IIRC the 2nd and 5th Ranger Battalions were both represented on the landing beaches, not Pointe du Hoc.

 

[Alex252]

There is absolutely no shred of actual military practices anywhere in SPR
Mike, I may be interpreting this incorrectly but the story is partly true. Franz Nialand, I believe is the name, lost all his brothers and was picked up in Normandy and brought back (From Band of Brothers book)

 

[Michael Dorosh]

There is absolutely no shred of actual military practices anywhere in SPR
Mike, I may be interpreting this incorrectly but the story is partly true. Franz Nialand, I believe is the name, lost all his brothers and was picked up in Normandy and brought back (From Band of Brothers book)

The padre drove out in a jeep and picked him up. ;D  There were no Germans in sight.  The guy's name was Fritz Niland.

Bit of a difference between a padre in a jeep and an 8 man Hollywood wrecking crew....

I meant more like everything the guys in the story do.  A captain leading a squad?  Rangers talking while on patrol?  These are conventions necessary for the story, but there were other ways to do that too.  Have them talking when taking a break, not patrolling.  Have Wade get killed in a minefield rather than some idiotic frontal assault on a lone machinegun nest.  Was it really necessary for Steamboat Willie to come back at the end of the movie to kill Miller?

Were Hawkins mines really command detonated like Claymores?

Could a sniper really change his scope on the fly and hit the broadside of a church tower with it?

Could a P-51 without rocket pods or bomb racks really destroy a Tiger, and weren't most tankkillers P-47s or Typhoons?

Would an SS unit (that was never in Normandy in the first half of June, incidentally) really send tanks unsupported through the streets of a town?  Possibly - ask the commander of the recce battalion (Graebner) who charged down Arnhem Bridge and got his ass handed to him.  Again, is it necessary to show the exception rather than the rule in just about every case?

It was a propaganda tale with high production values.  I like the movie, personally, and have seen it often.  I recommend it to others and think it does a great job of capturing the ingenuity, fear, bravery and other motions displayed by soldiers in WW II.  I just don't think it is particularly good at showing anything like actual military procedures.

Even Kelly's Heroes was more accurate, and it was billed as a comedy.  The minefield scene could (and actually has) be used as a textbook example of how to get out of such a situation when lacking mine detection equipment.  SPR has nothing at all like that anywhere to be found.

Band of Brothers had a recreation of the near-textbook assault on the battery at Brecourt Manor, for another example of a movie getting military practices correct.

 

[muskrat89]

Muskrat
I know they are not on any North Eastern Channels. Or at least the ones I watch on US Sat..

Recce - Granted, just because they're available doesn't mean Domestic-Niner lets me subscribe

The Outdoor Channel is as wild as it gets, for me  ;D

 

[Recce41]

Rat
HAHA, Ye you better watchout for girls in NorthFace gear. Goxtex makes any one look good.
Mike
Your right. Normandy was the first time 2nd,5th  Ranger, saw combat. In NA it was 1st and 3rd. The 1st,3rd,4th was in Sicily then Italy . But some of the first were in Dieppe with the British Commandos.
The 29th was made up from the 29th Inf, and landed in southern France. The 475th Bn was Merrell's band of marry men in the pacfic.. The now 75th Bn are from them.
There were some SS btys in Normandy, but most soldiers were Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe (paras).
:evil: :tank:

 

[Alex252]

Im surprised that i seem to be the only one to pick up that fact that not one US Ranger landed on Omaha beach  They only landed at Pont du Hoc.
Although a large contingent landed at the cliffs at Pont du Hoc, quite a few rangers landed at Omaha.
General Norman Cota is reported to have looked at soldiers floundering on the beach "You're Rangers, aren't you?  Then get up and lead the way!"
In D-Day by Ambrose it says somewhere that it wasnt Cota but a different General (cant remeber the name), and Mike I satnd corrected. Where did you get the info about the padre though?