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When I was at Mirage for Christmas, there was a small table set to the side of the dining area that was in honour of the fallen - the PMC read out what each item signified. Does anyone have the text for this? the only one I could find while googling was for a Vietnam POW from the US.

 
http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/srsub/mess_dinner_organization_c.htm
 
Was that in the dining hall?  We didn't have a "mess" when I was there ergo, no PMC. Or didyou actually have a mess dinner at the end of your tour?  Nice!  :cdn:
We had a table set out with gravemarkers and photos during Remembrance Day.  Kind of eerie, but we remembered them.  :salute: The "other" contingent thought it low and crass as the markers were "carved" out of lard.
I like the idea of a Fallen Comrades table, I've not heard of it before. 
:salute:  :cdn: 129
BYTD 
 
Last year, at a retirement dinner for a senior officer, in the mess they had a table for the fallen as well. It was the first time I had heard of it as well. I think it is a positive education to see subtle inclusive reminders of our fallen in our ceremonies.
 
I've been to a few mess dinners in the US - they have a table and setting put aside for MIA's/KIA's as part of their tradition.  Perhaps it has rubbed off a bit.

MM
 
They have been doing it for a couple of years now in Ottawa. Here is a picture of the table in question
 
We've been doing this one at our dinners for, at least, the last 12-15 years. Feel free to copy and use it also.

Setting:

Small table covered with a white table cloth and a chair leaning against the table.

A bread plate on the table with a slice of lemon and an aperitif glass containing salt.

A red rose in a vase, the vase tied with a red ribbon.

A wine glass inverted on the table

If possible, the table and setting will be placed under a spotlight and the rest of the room dimmed

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...

YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THIS SMALL TABLE SET IN A PLACE OF HONOUR. IT IS SET

FOR ONE... THIS TABLE IS OUR WAY OF RECOGNISING THE KINDRED FEELING, THAT

MEMBERS OF OUR PROFESSION OF ARMS ARE MISSING FROM OUR MIDST... WE CALL THEM

BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THEY ARE UNABLE TO BE HERE WITH US AND SO WE REMEMBER

THEM.

THIS TABLE SET FOR ONE IS SMALL.... IT SYMBOLISES THE FRAILTY OF OUR COMRADES

AGAINST OPPRESSION.

THE TABLE CLOTH IS WHITE... SYMBOLISING THE PURITY OF THEIR INTENTIONS, TO

RESPOND TO THEIR COUNTRY'S CALL TO ARMS.

THE SINGLE ROSE DISPLAYED IN A VASE REMINDS US OF THE FAMILIES AND THE LOVED

ONES OF OUR COMRADES WHO KEEP THE FAITH BY REMEMBERING THEM AND NEVER

FORGETTING THEIR SACRIFICES.

THE RED RIBBON TIED SO PROMINENTLY ON THE VASE BEARS WITNESS TO THEIR

DETERMINATION TO DEMAND A PROPER ACCOUNTING OF THEIR VALOUR AND

SACRIFICE.

THE SLICE OF LEMON IS ON THE BREAD PLATE TO REMIND US OF THEIR BITTER FATE.

THE SALT UPON THE BREAD PLATE IS SYMBOLIC OF THE FAMILY TEARS AS THEY REMEMBER

AND MOURN THEM.

THE GLASS IS INVERTED....THEY CANNOT TOAST WITH US TONIGHT.

THE CHAIR....THE CHAIR IS EMPTY.....THEY ARE NOT HERE.

REMEMBER ! ALL OF YOU WHO SERVED WITH THEM, OR NOW LIVE IN FREEDOM

BECAUSE OF THEM, WE RELIED AND DEPENDED ON THEM. DO NOT FORSAKE THEM. PRAY FOR

THEM AND REMEMBER THEM....

WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TO FALLEN COMRADES




 
I do not know where this custom originated. I can tell you that in about a half century of “dining in” in American, Australian, Belgian, British, Canadian, Dutch, German, Indian, New Zealand and Singaporean officers’ (and, now and again sergeants’) messes I have never seen it. Not once.

Some regiments and corps in some armies had a custom, once a year or so, of toasting ”Absent Friends” or something like that; the Navy did it (still does it?) every Sunday, at sea.

Customs come and go. We often forget why some even exist. Who remembers, for example, why the table is cleared before the loyal toast is proposed? (Hint: Jacobites and water glasses.) This custom, if indeed it is done on anything but an exceptional basis, may or may not persist.

But it seems a bit strange, to me, that the generations who survived South Africa, The First and Second World Wars and Korea felt no need to do something special to remind themselves that the ”best of the lot” were absent, in their tens of thousands amongst the Canadians, that they made the supreme sacrifice so that we could dine in good fellowship, while we some of you now fuss over a few dozen. Perhaps the “old sweats” were just too sanguine; perhaps they didn’t need any help remembering.



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It has been a fairly new addition to the dinners ( at least in my experiance).  The first time I saw the Table for the Fallen was around 2007. 
 
Edward,

Given my age and length of service, I'll consider myself one of those 'old sweats'. Just because it hadn't been done before, it's no reason to dismiss it out of hand. Personally, I like it. It seems to add a certain dignity to the affair. I have yet to see it done where someone, often the privileged guests, doesn't make comment on how touching or appropriate it is. I'm not going to get in a pissing match over this, but what is the problem of showing a little thanks and remembrance? No harm, no foul.

Oh I remember now, stiff upper lip, pip pip, and all that tosh right? ;) ;D Bet you'd near go apoplectic to see salt and pepper on the table now too. :blotto:
 
recceguy said:
Edward,

Given my age and length of service, I'll consider myself one of those 'old sweats'. Just because it hadn't been done before, it's no reason to dismiss it out of hand. Personally, I like it. It seems to add a certain dignity to the affair. I have yet to see it done where someone, often the privileged guests, doesn't make comment on how touching or appropriate it is. I'm not going to get in a pissing match over this, but what is the problem of showing a little thanks and remembrance? No harm, no foul.

Oh I remember now, stiff upper lip, pip pip, and all that tosh right? ;) ;D Bet you'd near go apoplectic to see salt and pepper on the table now too. :blotto:

Don't get me wrong. I don't particularly object to it.

I guess I harbour some (rather unformed) doubts about what it says about us.


recceguy said:
... Bet you'd near go apoplectic to see salt and pepper on the table now too. :blotto:


Damned right! They are welcome at certain points in the dinner, not at others.

But customs change, as I said. I was at a recent dinner night where the table was not fully cleared before the loyal toast. The mess committee had tried its best to contain costs and that included some slight and quite harmless alterations to some old customs. The end effects fo their efforts was to be able to get by with one less server and, therefore, achieve a slightly lower cost per person than would otherwise have been the case. Their efforts were warmly welcomed, especially by the serving officers who were encouraged to attend.
 
We've had a Fallen Comrades table set up at our Mess Dinners for many years now; although - I have never seen one set-up that includes the dreaded pepper & ours has always been a Bistro table - never square or rectangular.

Below are my notes kept in my PMC file ... (includes the explanation of the table set-up and the Toast to Fallen Comrades [offered by the VPMC during the dinner]):

_______________________
Fallen Comrades Table

You may have noticed the small table set for one that is off on its own -- it is reserved to honour our fallen comrades in arms. This symbolizes that they are with us, here in spirit.  We should never forget the brave men and women who answered our nation's call [to serve] and served the cause of freedom in a special way.  We are ever mindful that the sweetness of enduring peace has always been tainted by the bitterness of personal sacrifice. We are compelled to never forget that while we enjoy our daily pleasures, there are others who have endured the agonies of pain, deprivation and death.

I would like to explain the meaning of the items on this special table.

The table is round -- to show our everlasting concern for our fallen comrades.

The tablecloth is white -- symbolizing the purity of their motives when answering the call to duty.

The single red rose, displayed in a vase, reminds us of the life of each of our fallen comrades, and the loved ones and friends of these comrades who keep the faith.

The vase is tied with a red ribbon, symbol of our continued determination to remember our fallen comrades.

A slice of lemon on the bread plate is to remind us of the bitter fate of those who will never return.

A pinch of salt symbolizes the tears endured by the families of those who have sacrificed all.

The Bible represents the strength gained through faith to sustain those lost from our country under God.

The glass is inverted, they cannot toast with us at this time.

The chair is empty -- they are no longer with us.

Let us remember - and never forget their sacrifice.

May God forever watch over them and protect them and their families.
__________________________

À nos camarades disparus

Peut-être avez-vous remarqué la petite table, à l’écart, mise pour une seule personne  elle sert à honorer nos camarades disparus. Elle symbolise leur présence parmi nous, en esprit. Nous ne devrions jamais oublier ces braves hommes et ces braves femmes qui ont répondu à l’appel du drapeau et qui ont servi la cause de la liberté d’une manière hautement particulièrement. Nous gardons toujours à l’esprit que la douceur d’une paix durable est invariablement teintée de l’amertume du sacrifice personnel. Il importe que nous n’oubliions jamais, même dans nos plaisirs quotidiens, que d’autres ont enduré l’angoisse de la douleur, des privations et de la mort.

J’aimerais expliquer la signification des objets placés sur cette table spéciale.

La table est ronde pour montrer que nous nous soucierons éternellement de nos camarades disparus.

La nappe est blanche elle symbolise la pureté de leurs motifs au moment de répondre à l’appel du devoir.

La rose rouge, placée dans un vase, nous rappelle la vie de chacun de nos camarades disparus et celle de leurs proches et de leurs amis, qui ont gardé la foi.

Le vase est entouré d’un ruban rouge, symbole de notre détermination inébranlable de ne pas laisser tomber dans l’oubli nos chers disparus.

La tranche de citron sur l’assiette à pain nous rappelle que ceux et celles qui ne reviendront jamais ont connu un destin amer.

La pincée de sel symbolise les larmes des familles de ceux et celles qui ont tout sacrifié.

La Bible représente la force que donne la foi, la force qui permet de soutenir la perte des camarades que Dieu a rappelés à lui.

Le verre est retourné pour nous rappeler qu’ils ne peuvent plus trinquer avec nous.

La chaise est vide signe qu’ils ne sont plus parmi nous.

Souvenons nous et n’oublions jamais le sacrifice qu’ils ont fait.

Puisse Dieu veiller sur eux et les protéger pour toujours, eux et les membres de leur famille.
__________________________

A TOAST TO FALLEN COMRADES

Let us give thanks for the many blessings we have received.  Let us thank God for watching over Canada and us and allowing us to enjoy the freedoms we experience every day.  However let us also remember the great price that was paid for that freedom too many times.

We knew them.  They lived, they felt, they were as vibrant, as energetic, as immortal as you and I.  They were brave.  They fell for peace and for freedom in the service of their country. Many may argue about the futility of death and of war, but one should never forget that they died, not in vain, but in honour.

Many times down through the years our country has called, and many men and women have answered the call.  Let us not forget our fallen comrades, but remember them always, for they have earned our respect and admiration with their lives.

We knew them, we'll remember them, and they will not be forgotten.

To our fallen comrades!
________________________

UN TOAST À NOS CAMARADES DISPARUS

Exprimons notre reconnaissance pour les nombreux bienfaits que nous avons reçus. Remercions Dieu qui veille sur le Canada et sur nous, et qui nous permet de profiter chaque jour de notre liberté. Cependant, n’oublions pas le prix énorme qu’il a fallu payer, maintes fois, pour la garder.

Nous les avons connus. Ils vivaient, ils avaient des sentiments, ils étaient aussi vibrants, énergétiques et immortels que vous et moi. Ils étaient braves. Ils sont tombés pour défendre la paix et la liberté, au service de leur pays. D’aucuns pourraient prétendre qu’il est futile de faire la guerre et de mourir au combat, mais il ne faut jamais oublier qu’ils sont morts, non pas en vain, mais dans l’honneur.

Notre pays nous a appelés sous les drapeaux à plusieurs reprises au cours des années, et nombre d’hommes et de femmes ont répondu à cet appel. N’oublions pas nos camarades disparus, souvenons nous d’eux pour toujours, car le sacrifice de leur vie les rend dignes de respect et d’admiration.

Nous les connaissions, nous nous souviendrons d’eux, nous ne les laisserons jamais tomber dans l’oubli.

À nos camarades disparus!



 
E.R. Campbell said:
Customs come and go. We often forget why some even exist. Who remembers, for example, why the table is cleared before the loyal toast is proposed? (Hint: Jacobites and water glasses.) This custom, if indeed it is done on anything but an exceptional basis, may or may not persist.


Edit: two typos

Edward, are you referring to the Royal toast or the Loyal toast?

I would hazard a guess that it has something to do with Bonnie Prince Charlie and not the king at the time {who's name escapes me??} Richard ???
The water glass refers to Skye...{which is a very depressing tune many of us would hear while the reviewing officer is reviewing the troops on parade}

When I have the opportunity to imbibe in a few wet ones, with or without company, my first one is always tapped to the table to remember those who came before me.  Not sure where I got that from??!!
:salute:
 
The water used to be removed so that Jacobites could not pass their glasses over the water , thus drinking the toast "to the king over the water." And, of course, that was to the Stuarts, exiled in France over the water. On occasion, in memory of my Highland ancestors I have done the same, even though I firmly believe the Stuarts plumbed the depths of stupidity and incompetence to such a level that even the other Royal families of Europe finally noticed.
 
BYT Driver said:
Edward, are you referring to the Royal toast or the Loyal toast?

I would hazard a guess that it has something to do with Bonnie Prince Charlie and not the king at the time {who's name escapes me??} Richard ???
The water glass refers to Skye...{which is a very depressing tune many of us would hear while the reviewing officer is reviewing the troops on parade}

When I have the opportunity to imbibe in a few wet ones, with or without company, my first one is always tapped to the table to remember those who came before me.  Not sure where I got that from??!!
:salute:


It is, properly, the Loyal Toast. The issues of loyalty to the reigning royalty go waaaaay back - think of the Wars of the Roses, the decline and end of the Plantagenets (circa 1450-1490).

Old Sweat has it right: the Stuarts, clearly the dumbest dynasty, were "over the water" in France - kindred spirits and all that - while the Brits got used to a parade of monarchs: Dutch, English, German and, finally, in 1837, English, again.

As sweatie says the Stuart fantasy persists, to this day - the ultimate Walts.

Sorry, folks: Off Topic.
 
Edward, I don't think it's going off topic.  Traditions seems to be the overall theme here; which seem to be a lost art these days.  As a JrNCO (do they still call us that?)i.e.CPL, I don't often go to mess dinners and the traditions there are slowly edging away.  Toasts from all elements, Regiments, ships etc..are slipping.  Perhaps we can add them to this thread?
Oh, and thanks for the info about the Jacobites...Heehee, perhaps I'll do that at my next dinner or beer call.
 
BYT Driver said:
Edward, I don't think it's going off topic.  Traditions seems to be the overall theme here; which seem to be a lost art these days ...


Indeed, and I have found a very old (27 Dec 2004) post of mine, which, while focused on uniforms, pretty well sums up my current views on traditions:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/1172/post-140718.html#msg140718
This, full dress and feathers is a silly argument, but I am impressed, perhaps depressed is a better word, by the lack of attention displayed, in this and other threads, to our history - especially our military history - and the symbolism which attaches to it.

There are five main 'threads' in the strands of our history: Aboriginal, French, British (as opposed to English), American and Modern/Multicultural.  Each is different in both duration and impact; the aboriginal people were here longest but their (historical or cultural) 'step' was light - they left too few records and historians are having difficulty giving it its full and proper 'place' (due, in part to a combination of fragmentary evidence, cultural politics (which is common to all cultures, by the way)and honest, essential academic disagreement).  The modern/multi-cultural thread is shortest but its immediate impact is bright and loud and all pervasive, on everything but the military - so far, but, to quote generations of sergeants on thousands of parade squares: “Wait for it!  The French were the major factor in 'modern' Canada for 250 years - they explored, settled and farmed but failed to exploit; their gaze was always back, over their shoulders, to France.  For the next 250 years the influences in Canada were British and (Anglo) American, in about equal strength.  They cannot be separated too much - they were concurrent influences, one feeding off the other. It is a common, but serious error to try to keep them apart.  Victorian and 20th century Canada was and remains far less 'British' than, say, distant New Zealand - the French fact is irrelevant - the difference is the friendly, familiar, neighbourly and overwhelming influence of our American cousins.

The important differences for modern Canada between the British and Loyalist North Americans, on the one hand, and the French, on the other, were many and deep but they began with the idea of a new place with new, local institutions - tied but not bound to Europe.

Our Canadian military culture owes little to the aboriginals, the French or the modern, multicultural communities: it is, overwhelmingly, British-American, as it has been since the arrival of the Loyalists in the 18th century and, especially, the Scots migrations (forced and voluntary) of the early 19th century.  (Some (I'm not sure of the number - more than two or three, less than a dozen, I think) regiments were raised in Scotland for service in India followed by settlement in Canada - with a decade of imprisonment and starvation for families until soldiers and family survivors were reunited, on regimental land grants, in Canada.  You can still find the traces in the Eastern Townships of Quebec, the St Lawrence and Ottawa valleys and e.g. Wellington and Dufferin counties in Ontario -  I spent several weeks perusing parish records in those areas about 40 years ago.)

Military history is not static and military customs and traditions are a reflection of social rather than political history.  Thus, over the 250 years of British-American dominance of Canadian military history, many things have changed.  We have forgotten, or relegated local heroes like de Salaberry and Tecumseh and replaced them with (estimable, to be sure) people more familiar to the dominant, British-American, culture of the day.  At the turn of the 21st century Roméo Dallaire and Lewis MacKenzie have, in their turns, replaced Sir Arthur Currie, Bert Hoffmeister and Cec Merritt in the Canadian military pantheon - as happens everywhere, all the time.  Ditto for regiments and the attendant buttons and bows  issues.  (It may be interesting for some to note that many of the customs and traditions, including the 'ceremonial' uniforms worn by some regiments, which are most popular with many Canadians on the fringes of our military, are very 'un-Canadian'.  They date from the Cardwells's much needed reforms of the post-Crimean British Army.  Some of these reforms persisted well into the 20th century and people of my age can remember regular ration stock-takings to ensure that the CO did not end up with a pay deduction at fiscal year end because he had gone too far over his battalion's ration entitlement - a holdover from the clean up of the corruption which was rife in the British commissariat system and which led to charges of theft being levelled (but not, often, proved) against several British commanders of 'good' blood.  Others, like Guy Simmonds' 'creation' of a Regiment of Canadian Guards are self-inflicted wounds, a result of our own, sometimes excessive, Anglophilia.)

All that to say that 35 year old 'DEUs' - all gussied up with bright gee-gaws to replace the traditional, in 20th century wars, subdued rank badges and simple div patches - are no more traditional than high collared, drab wool tunics or bright scarlet ones with different coloured piping and facings.  There is nothing especially Canadian or un-Canadian about our uniforms - they look remarkably similar to those worn by the Chinese People's Liberation Army and, indeed, by Idi Amin - neither, in my view, making a case for their form, fit and function.

I agree that uniforms reflect the civilian dress of the day, with, almost inevitably, modifications for good, military reasons: most Romans wore a short tunic and so did Roman soldiers, a good wool tunic, augmented by a good wool blanket/cloak, and with a breastplate, helmet, shield and sometimes a leather kilt and woollen or leather trousers, too, and so on.  Ditto the army that took Québec - cutaway coats with waistcoats and knee breeches with stockings were the 'norm' for gentlemen and even for common men, for Sunday wear, in the 1760s.  They were issued to, and adapted for soldiers, too. But, big BUT, the fact that soldiers dressed in a manner which was 'normal' for society at large does not, by any stretch of the imagination, translate into a requirement for the soldiers to have a uniform that “mimics Business Casual and Business dress” - that is a huge red herring.

In the 19th century the British and German armies noted that bright red, white and blue did not aid camouflage and concealment and, first, rifle green jackets with subdued facings and buttons, and, later, khaki and feldgrau (field grey) appeared on the battlefield, thus, irrevocably, separating military from civilian attire.  The khaki battle dress or field service dress was, inevitably, 'dressed up' as Michael Dorosh notes, on his web site - especially for British officers.  The utilitarian leather belts and straps, including the famous Sam Browne belt, (worn, on active service, with scarlet tunics, by the RCD and The RCR) became increasing, then wholly decorative.  The visible distinctions between officers, senior NCOs and the rank and file became greater and greater, reinforcing concomitant but outmoded social divisions.  In the '60s and then, again, in the '80s the British Army upgraded soldiers' uniforms to a style and quality which aimed to reduced those distinctions.  The initial Canadian jolly green jumper was designed to remove them entirely - polyester and plastic for one and all.  Very soon we saw - I think it is now quite common - that officers spent their own money to get a better cut or fit and, often, better cloth, too.  Some (many?) naval officers have real (American or British) gold on their sleeves - even on the slip-ons they wear on sweaters, etc.  On balance I favoured, and still do, the British approach (better kit for the soldiers) to the Canadian one (lower quality for all).

It is noted that not all Canadian regiments had ceremonial dress uniforms - neither did all British regiments.  Until the late 19th century soldiers in most armies had one 'style' of uniform - the one they fought in.  Ditto, on the basis of the photographic evidence on their web site: the Calgary Highlanders in the 1920s and The RCR in the 1950s.  The soldiers' tropical worsted uniform was an attempt to give Canadian soldiers and airmen a summer weight 'walking out' uniform, such as their British colleagues had for tropical service.  In the '50s a form of garrison dress had already evolved: bush pants and dress shirts, sleeves rolled up, in the summer, and bush pants or battle dress trousers, shirt and high-neck sweater in the winter with either a jump smock or a nylon parka (no liner in spring and fall) as outerwear.  Neither full, garrison duty, pressed and gussied up woollen battledress or TWs were popular - soldiers wanted to wear something practical, comfortable and easy to care for, while still looking 'smart.'  In the '50s and '60s most Canadian officers wore service dress, highly polished leather Sam Browne and all, when 'on parade' but they, too - even the CO and the brigadier - wore the informal garrison dress on normal 'working days.'

That still seems to be the case in Petawawa - or it was when members of our regimental association last visited: I don't think I noticed a full (jacket and tie) DEU in wear and I think I would have noticed because it would have stood out.  I did see a few - a very few - green trousers with open neck shirts and sweaters but mostly I saw CADPAT battle dress, including the CO and the brigade commander.  I observed this, again, when I visited a British base a few years ago - I don't think I saw an officer or NCO and certainly not a private, in anything but a disruptive pattern uniform - and that included the brigadier in his office.  My impression (and it has been a decade plus since I last set foot on an American base) is that the US is the same.

I see many mixes of dress when I stop by the Army Officers' Mess in Ottawa - most of the military bureaucrats wear sweaters/trousers or their CADPAT uniforms; a few (some colonels and most generals) wear a tunic and tie.  If NDHQ is to be the standard then there is a need, there, for something other than battle dress and a ceremonial uniform.  But, really, is what General Howsyourfather is going to wear when he meets a lobbyist for lunch really the 'standard' for issue of uniforms in the entire Canadian Army?

Whatever uniforms we are going to issue to Canadian soldiers - and I do not agree that they should buy their own - should reflect our unique Canadian military traditions.  For 250 years the predominant Canadian military traditions have been local (North American) adaptations of British customs, traditions, organizations and equipment.  Sometimes - e.g. Rangers/Rifles/Light Infantry - we, British North Americans, have led the way but mostly we have adapted British ways and means to meet our needs.  We still do - to the extent that we retain the ever flexible and ever changing regimental system  Ignoring those traditions is to try to rewrite Canadian history - dishonest in the extreme.

This, full dress and feathers, is still a silly argument - we have better things to do with scarce dollars but ... as I have mentioned before, morale and pride (self esteem) and self confidence are all mixed together and all can be damaged if there is a sense that soldiers, NCOs and officers are, somehow, less 'worthy' than other Canadians. 

With all possible respect to today's soldiers, traditions matter, too - we need to focus our soldiers more on Alexander Dunn, Richard Rowland Thompson, Milton Gregg and Cec Merritt and less on Lester B Pearson and Roméo Dallaire.  The indisputable geopolitical fact is that we had a 40 year 'rest' from large scale combat (a long time in our history) while our armed forces kept the peace, the only peace that really, ever, needed to be kept, through intensive training for war and hair trigger alertness.  The bits of other overseas service we saw - so called Pearsonian peacekeeping was nothing more than military busy-work, designed to help preserve the fragile, but peaceful, balance of power.  Keeping the 'real' peace - the peace that mattered - required tough, superbly disciplined, well trained and adequately equipped troops.

Getting that 'mix' (toughness, discipline, training) right required something I would call, for lack of a better term, an agenda of respect for soldiers and soldiering - we had it under St. Laurent, it began to slip, a bit, under Pearson and Diefenbaker, and it collapsed, totally and completely, in 1968 when Trudeau and Head gave practical, political effect to their anti-military views.  I do not believe it, the agenda of respect, ever recovered ... certainly not after 1993.  I remember the debilitating effects of the original jolly green jumper and the universally despised 'work dress' - the soft drink deliverymen's uniform.  Soldiers wondered if anyone in Ottawa gave a hoot about them.  So, uniforms can matter ...

There is a lot more to do than fiddle with uniforms, but if those uniforms are not supportive of our most valuable traditions, if polyester and plastic and fierce brigade patches do no good, then they may be part of the problem.

I apologize for the length; I adopt Churchill's defence: I didn't have time to write a short one ... actually I'm just too lazy to revise and edit.


A few things have changed: de Salaberry and several others from our war history have been put on public view.

But, my views on traditions are about the same as my views on uniforms: they matter but thgey are, properly, ever changing and we need at keep and polish the best of them and discard the cheap, plastic ones. Our evolving traditions will, inevitably, reflect more and more American and less and less British influence. That isn’t a good or a bad thing, it’s just the nature of our environment.


Edit: extra word removed
 
Does anyone have the text of the Robbie Burns poem by this name? I may need it in the near future and my google-fu didn't help.
 
A toast to friends, was not a Robbie Burns poem.  It is actually just what it says a toast to the Absent.  The Person giving this toast makes this on up, and personalizes it with names of friends that are absent.  He may also make it short and sweet, A Toast to Absent Friends.

I did find this one;

A Toast to Absent Friends
"to absent friends
to those we have met
to those we have yet to meet
to those who have left us for a while
and to those who have left us forever

let us lift our glasses
and drink a toast
that they may abide in our hearts
forever

to absent friends"


dileas

tess

 
That's probably the one I was thinking of. I'm not certain whether it is or is not ascribed to Burns, but it's in his style.

Thanks!
 
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