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Top soldier hopes Forces can reduce overhead, increase efficiency

Again, a quibbles: CSIS was established as a counter intelligence agency and I believe that is still its main role. The business of 'active' intelligence gathering belongs to others. If my memory serves, Signint provides about 90% of all intellignence to all military forces.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Again, a quibbles: CSIS was established as a counter intelligence agency and I believe that is still its main role. The business of 'active' intelligence gathering belongs to others. If my memory serves, Signint provides about 90% of all intellignence to all military forces.

Well CSIS is now an overall SI business covering terrorism and foreign intelligence, thereby Canadian SECURITY Intelligence Service, but yeah, initially it was simply taking over from RCMP who was mainly focused on CI. I fully support your 90% though ;D
 
E.R. Campbell: CSIS has been doing a fair bit to help the CF in Afstan (a threat to them is, by definition I guess, a threat to the security of Canada and thus "security intelligence"):

CSIS and sidearms
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/june-2-letters-to-the-editor/article1588609/

A select few Canadian Security Intelligence Service employees abroad are authorized by the CSIS director to carry a firearm in dangerous operational environments such as Afghanistan (Undercover CSIS Agents Carry Guns in Foreign Flashpoints – May 26). CSIS personnel who are required to carry sidearms receive intensive training on the safe carriage and handling of a sidearm. They must also obtain a firearms certification prior to receiving the authority to carry a sidearm.

The fact that Canadian diplomats abroad are unarmed is not a model for CSIS officers. CSIS personnel in Afghanistan are often required to meet individuals – some of whom would be described as unfriendly at best – in very dangerous situations while carrying out their work in collecting security intelligence on threats to the Canadian Forces and to Canada. [emphasis added] They are not in Afghanistan to do administrative work. To send CSIS personnel into harm’s way in Afghanistan without adequate protection would be completely irresponsible.

The article leaves the impression that the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) was not aware of the CSIS policy on sidearms. SIRC was, in fact, fully briefed on all aspects of this issue and provided with the CSIS policy some time ago.

CSIS firearms policies respect Canada’s Criminal Code, Firearms Act, National Defence Act, Public Agents Firearms Regulations and the Ministerial Direction for CSIS Operations.

Richard B. Fadden, director, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS)

Elite forces target bomb makers
http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/665009

Canada's elite special forces soldiers have been launching raids on enemy compounds to directly target insurgents making roadside bombs, the main killer of coalition troops in Afghanistan, the Toronto Star  has learned.

Using intelligence gathered by Canadian spies on the ground  [emphasis added] in the troubled country, soldiers with Joint Task Force 2 and the special forces regiment are actively involved in going after the networks that produce the improvised explosive devices...

Getting a handle on the spy game
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/16/f-vp-stewart.html

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So who exactly is CSIS targeting?

From my contacts, I can tell you that I believe it is far more active in conflict zones then it was even a few years ago.

For example, when Canada first plunged into the Kandahar mission in 2006, there were thought to be only three CSIS agents on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan combined. This was huge oversight by the Canadian government and poor local intelligence cost the Canadian mission dearly in those early years.

The number of CSIS agents now in this one danger zone in and around Afghanistan is secret but my sources say it is not less than 20 and their work in targeting Taliban field leaders and collecting tribal intelligence is increasingly valued by our generals [emphasis added].

The CSIS contribution is an untold part of the war...

Mark
Ottawa
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
..... in those days, the "military" intel was brought to the PCO through the Minister who had himself been briefed by the DM or an ADM. I was also lead to understand that  as a result, some analysis and conclusions reached by the military that were considered a little too hard were softened along the way.

Military intelligence is fed into the PCO through an Int Branch LCol/Cdr who is posted there within the Security and Intelligence Secretariat. This officer is also closely tied to the other relevant PCO Secretariat, the International Assessment Staff. Both of these feed into the Foreign and Defence Policy Secretariat, which supports the National Security Advisor in providing info to the PMO.

When working on a specific topic, subject-matter or area specialists from the Int world will go over to PCO to thrash out the details; they may be Int or Arms posted into an Int line serial. There are quite a few non-Int Capts-to-LCols posted into DG Int. I suspect it's to minimize the in-breeding  ;D  However, these PCO meetings involve all of the Int staffs in government -- predominantly DND, CSE, CSIS, and DFAIT -- but for certain topics, you'll get the relevant Int geeks, whether from the Canada Border Services Agency....or Agriculture Canada.


The reality is, on the one hand, you do get differing perspectives or weighting of the information agreed; on the other, often it is watered down to the lowest common denominator. The only counter to that is the "CF version" also goes directly to the CDS and Deputy-Minister.
 
And if they get hard up, other geeks are used. I briefed PCO during Gulf 1 on a certain sensitive military subject.
 
MarkOttawa said:
E.R. Campbell: CSIS has been doing a fair bit to help the CF in Afstan (a threat to them is, by definition I guess, a threat to the security of Canada and thus "security intelligence"):

CSIS and sidearms
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/june-2-letters-to-the-editor/article1588609/


Elite forces target bomb makers
http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/665009

Getting a handle on the spy game
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/16/f-vp-stewart.html

Mark
Ottawa


I don't know what CSIS does, or doesn't do, but I am about 99.99% certain that they are not the only Canadian intelligence service operating in A'stan.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Old Sweat, having checked with friends who have served on promotion boards as secretary, I can tell you that there is no separate/faster stream for officers with their PSC annotation, it does, however give them numerous "brownie" points that do get them promoted apparently ahead of more deserving officers or officer with longer service that do not have the designation.
I think you might have the cart before the horse here.  Selection for JCSP is based on merit standing, thus it follows that JCSP graduates are promoted ahead of their peers.  Somewhere around 2/3 of the graduating class is usually already wearing their third ring.
 
Lex Parsimoniae said:
Somewhere around 2/3 of the graduating class is usually already wearing their third ring.

Yep - everyone but Infantry and Artillery....
 
Not any more - the average age of students is North of 42 - including the King and Queen of Battle.
 
Lex Parsimoniae said:
One student coming on 37 is still a Capt!
STOP THE PRESSES!  A Capt is *shudder* 37?  I had no idea that the promoted them to captain SO YOUNG!

 
Could it be that said Captain had joined a bit later? I can see that an increasing number of folks are joining mid to late 20's rather than at 20 (that's my case in fact) and therefore do not enter the EPZ to Major before 35. In fact, I think that with increasing education levels, people travelling before university and the increase of the CRA, that will be a more common situation in the future. Thoughts?
 
TimBit said:
........... In fact, I think that with increasing education levels, people travelling before university and the increase of the CRA, that will be a more common situation in the future. Thoughts?

This is nothing new.  Many have been doing this, ever since the first universities were built.  ;D
 
George Wallace said:
This is nothing new.  Many have been doing this, ever since the first universities were built.  ;D

He he... I remember an advert at my Uni inciting people to use their school loans to travel. Hmmm... interesting idea...
 
TimBit said:
Could it be that said Captain had joined a bit later? I can see that an increasing number of folks are joining mid to late 20's rather than at 20 (that's my case in fact) and therefore do not enter the EPZ to Major before 35. In fact, I think that with increasing education levels, people travelling before university and the increase of the CRA, that will be a more common situation in the future. Thoughts?
Probably.  Or said captain is a UTPNCM or CFR.  Whatever. 
I say that in the name of efficiency, we form EFFICIENCYCOMMAND, with about 500 staff officers (and hangers-on) to come up with options...
 
Technoviking said:
One student coming on 37 is still a Capt!
STOP THE PRESSES!  A Capt is *shudder* 37?  I had no idea that the promoted them to captain SO YOUNG!
He's referring to JCSP course number 37, not anyones' age.

I believe the point is that one student on the course is not yet promoted to major.
 
Journeyman said:
I believe the point is that one student on the course is not yet promoted to major.
There: more proof why I shouldn't ever be on that course: attention to detail and all that ;D
 
I think instead of EFFICIENCYCOMMAND, we should call it EFFCOM, and those that have been posted there, and can talk the talk, are said to be full of EFFLUENT! I've met many people in the CF who are indeed full of EFFLUENT, and could be posted there ASAP!

Yep, I can see it now, we post all the EFFLUENT folk to EFFCOM, which shall have its HQ on a small island in the arctic, and then we conveniently forget about them. Problem solved!
 
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