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Tories talk teamwork to salvage shipbuilding

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MURRAY BREWSTER GATINEAU, QUE. — The Canadian Press

Federal Conservatives gathered the country's shipbuilders and a smattering of defence contractors behind closed doors yesterday, hoping to salvage tens of billions of dollars worth of badly needed navy and Coast Guard vessels.

The two-day conference began with four federal cabinet ministers calling on often cutthroat competitors to work hand-in-glove with the federal government to roll out as many as 50 large-ship projects - worth an estimated $40-billion - over the next 30 years.

The federal government began searching for a different approach to the complex and time-consuming construction process in the wake of the failure of two high-profile projects last year.

Both the National Defence and Fisheries and Oceans departments were sent back to the drawing board on projects involving the construction of three naval joint-supply ships and coast-guard mid-shore patrol boats when bids from the industry came in far over the budget envelope the Conservatives had set aside.

It was an embarrassment, particularly for the navy, which continues to rely on 40-year-old steam-powered supply ships that were to be retired in 2012.

The Coast Guard was equally put out.

"I know that it was frustrating and costly for the companies that bid [and] it was frustrating for us, as it delayed getting much-needed new vessels," said Fisheries Minister Gail Shea, whose department manages the Canadian Coast Guard.

She said she hoped the conference means that everyone involved will work to "get it right."
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I suspect the government would have more luck on large projects if they had some long-term continuity.  The government needs 2 large vessels per year but they wait 10 years and need 20 or wait 20 years and need 40.  The few remaining ship yards bid on large projects assuiming a high level of uncertainty.  For large jobs they would end up having to hire and train most of the workers.  It is not a matter of adding the projects to an existing production schedule because their isn't a significant one.

The history of military contracts is often one of design modifications as production continues.  Some formula in the contract provided for modifications but it is another element of uncertainty.

If there was some method of insuring that shipyards could maintain a steady flow of work over an extended period of time their risks decline and there may be some willingness to reduce bids.  When government has a friendly chat with business to solve a problem, the news isn't always good.



 
Wouldn't 50 large ships over 30 help?  If they worked together as a type of consortium, would they then be able to develop an industry that could export as well as produce the required ships for our use?
 
If the Tories were smart they would bring the Liberals into this in a gesture of unity......

It solves two problems

1. It takes the issue of spending that much $$ off the table during the coming election and shows the Tories as willing to work with other partners

2. To the shipyards it helps guarantee the work, whomever is in office....unless Jack baby has his wet dream and becomes PM..
 
Spanky said:
Wouldn't 50 large ships over 30 help?  If they worked together as a type of consortium, would they then be able to develop an industry that could export as well as produce the required ships for our use?

50 ships over 30 years would help if shipbuilding was evenly scheduled to develop a sustainable business other than feast or famine.  It is fairly certain Canada won't export any large ships as our costs couldn't come close to the Far East where almost all of them are built.
 
Dennis Ruhl said:
50 ships over 30 years would help if shipbuilding was evenly scheduled to develop a sustainable business other than feast or famine.  It is fairly certain Canada won't export any large ships as our costs couldn't come close to the Far East where almost all of them are built.

Too bad shipbuilding's done on the two coasts. It could have provided a role for the 19th Alberta Dragoons ;D
 
recceguy said:
Too bad shipbuilding's done on the two coasts. It could have provided a role for the 19th Alberta Dragoons ;D
Who do you think will provide the on site security :D
 
The 19th Alberta Dragoons do not require ships...it simply wills the ocean away from it and floats serenely above the surface 
8)
 
Spanky said:
Why not a Sqn on each coast?

Hell, why not one in Edmonton?  Oh!  I forgot.  Having a local historical cavalry/armoured armoured regiment would break the system financially.  With over 200 army reserve units in Canada one more would simply overwhelm the system.  Is that the right answer?

 
Dennis Ruhl said:
Hell, why not one in Edmonton?  Oh!  I forgot.  Having a local historical cavalry/armoured armoured regiment would break the system financially.  With over 200 army reserve units in Canada one more would simply overwhelm the system.  Is that the right answer?

CORRECT!


::)
 
How about we compromise and name the next Canadian Warship "HMCS 19th Alberta Dragoons"?

Everybody wins.
 
SeaKingTacco said:
How about we compromise and name the next Canadian Warship "HMCS 19th Alberta Dragoons"?

Everybody wins.
You might be on something there.  We could develop a whole class of ship and at the same time define a role for the armd reserve units! ;D

 
Spanky said:
You might be on something there.  We could develop a whole class of ship and at the same time define a role for the armd reserve units! ;D

I've got a novel idea.  How about giving them each a troop of armoured vehicles with guns?  Radical idea!
 
Dennis Ruhl said:
I've got a novel idea.  How about giving them each a troop of armoured vehicles with guns?  Radical idea!

Way to go there Dennis, inject reality into it and Bruce shows up with his baton ::)
 
How many shipyards are there in Canada that can build these types of ships?
 
I understand that civilian merchant ships are built by shipyards in other parts of the world (India, east Asia etc?), but what about naval ships?  Do more developed nations build their own, or is it sent "off-shore".
 
Germany, the UK, Spain, France and the US build their own. The rest of NATO generally buys from one of the nations I just listed.
 
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