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ricka

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I am interested in joining the CF, but have so many questions.  Everyone I talk to thinks officer is the way to go, and I'm sure they are probably right. But one of the trades i am interested in is a NCM position, Dental Tech.  But..."Applicants for the Dental Technician occupation must have a Level II Dental Assisting Diploma from an accredited Community College program or be holder of a National Dental Assisting Examining Board Certificate. " 

This is something i do not have.  So, does that mean i need to acquire this before i try to go for that trade, or can they send me on this course once i am in?
 
How much more specific do you need?

Applicants for the Dental Technician occupation must have a Level II Dental Assisting Diploma from an accredited Community College program or be holder of a National Dental Assisting Examining Board Certificate. " 

To interpert for you:  You need the qualification to apply for the position and no the CF won't put you on a course to get the qualification.

HH and DA
 
ricka said:
..."Applicants for the Dental Technician occupation must have a Level II Dental Assisting Diploma from an accredited Community College program or be holder of a National Dental Assisting Examining Board Certificate. " 

It means exactly what it says. CF wants potential candidate to have those skills when he/she applies for this occupation.
 
ricka said:
I am interested in joining the CF, but have so many questions.  Everyone I talk to thinks officer is the way to go, and I'm sure they are probably right. But one of the trades i am interested in is a NCM position, Dental Tech.  But..."Applicants for the Dental Technician occupation must have a Level II Dental Assisting Diploma from an accredited Community College program or be holder of a National Dental Assisting Examining Board Certificate. " 

This is something i do not have.  So, does that mean i need to acquire this before i try to go for that trade, or can they send me on this course once i am in?


Yes I know I'm going to be flamed for this, but I just can't help it.

Ricka, maybe you can figure this out. Lets say you wanted to join the Service as a Officer in the Medical Branch and as a Doctor (MD.). The prerequisites were that you must have a Degree from a recognized University as such and a License to pratice Medicine. Now would you expect the CAF's or think possibly they might enroll you without the stated prerequisites but then send you to Medical School for some 9 yrs.

Now Really.

The CAF require some foundation as a career pointer and qualification for what ever Trade Selection.

Now you've been told what the prerequisites are in your case, so there's your answere.

Cheers.

Sorry Guys, I'm slow on the key board. also please forgive me for infringing on your territory.
 
okay.  So why would they pay for to send me to school if i choose to be a Dental Officer?  All you need then is to be accepted into a accredited dental school, and they will reimburse tuition fees and educational expenses.  And during that time i would also receive full pay and allowances.
 
ricka said:
okay.  So why would they pay for to send me to school if i choose to be a Dental Officer?  All you need then is to be accepted into a accredited dental school, and they will reimburse tuition fees and educational expenses.  And during that time i would also receive full pay and allowances.

The powers that be decided...  Could be that they are harder to recruit and with accepting subsidized education, the accept obligatory service
 
ricka said:
okay.  So why would they pay for to send me to school if i choose to be a Dental Officer?  All you need then is to be accepted into a accredited dental school, and they will reimburse tuition fees and educational expenses.  And during that time i would also receive full pay and allowances.

They would pay for you because you're paying them back with obligatory service. It's like an extended loan. The CF has a much greater need for things like Dental and Medical Officers than they do Dental Technicians, so they're willing to pay to send you to a Dental/Medical school (and/or to enlist after having completed them).

If being a Dental Technician is what you're interested in doing, I'd advise you to go to college and enlist upon completion. If you'd like to be an Officer (Dental or otherwise), read up on ROTP, RMC, and BOTP (use the forum's search feature) and post if you have questions that aren't answered yet.

Good luck :)
 
ricka said:
Everyone I talk to thinks officer is the way to go, and I'm sure they are probably right. But one of the trades i am interested in is a NCM position, Dental Tech.

Why does "everyone think officer is the way to go?" The extra money?  The fact that you may eventually be in charge of something/someone?  If those are your motivations forget it, the CF needs leaders, not people looking for a free ride.  If you are interested in Dental Tech, go to school get your papers and do it either on civie street or in the CF. You will be far better off doing something you like than failing at something you are not cut out for.
 
Cleared Hot said:
Why does "everyone think officer is the way to go?" The extra money?  The fact that you may eventually be in charge of something/someone?  If those are your motivations forget it, the CF needs leaders, not people looking for a free ride.  If you are interested in Dental Tech, go to school get your papers and do it either on civie street or in the CF. You will be far better off doing something you like than failing at something you are not cut out for.

To be honest I think the "everyone" part refers to civvies as opposed to military personnel. Canadian society (at least the part of it I've been exposed too) has been "prepped" into believing that University is better than a high school diploma, and that more money is better than less money. They don't take the time to realize that as an Officer you're doing a different job than an NCM -- not necesarily a better or more important job -- just a different one.
 
Canadian society (at least the part of it I've been exposed too) has been "prepped" into believing that University is better than a high school diploma, and that more money is better than less money.

Totally agree. The best example of this problem in the Canadian society is the scarcity of tradesman like plumbers and electricians and the overabundance of the most useless form of human beings - the lawyers.  :rage:

Gasplug :salute:
 
Gasplug said:
Totally agree. The best example of this problem in the Canadian society is the scarcity of tradesman like plumbers and electricians and the overabundance of the most useless form of human beings - the lawyers.  :rage:

Gasplug :salute:

And here I am, A third year plumbing apprentice going for Infantry Officer, or maybe Infantry. Who knew.
 
Neo Cortex said:
To be honest I think the "everyone" part refers to civvies as opposed to military personnel. Canadian society (at least the part of it I've been exposed too) has been "prepped" into believing that University is better than a high school diploma, and that more money is better than less money. They don't take the time to realize that as an Officer you're doing a different job than an NCM -- not necessarily a better or more important job -- just a different one.

It's not just civilians who think this way. Actually, most of my civilian friends don't know the ranks or the difference between NCMs and Officers, and would probably guess (albeit incorrectly) that Officers are just higher-ranked NCMS. At the CFRCs, however, the staff tend to promote Officer trades to applicants with degrees. They did this with me and also with a friend of mine, as we both originally went in asking about the RMS Clerk trade. Eventually, I switched to the Officer side, but she did not. She has just started work in the reserves as an RMS Clerk (and she not only has a Bachelor's degree, but is 2 credits shy of her Master's). We're both happy with our respective choices. However, as to why the CFRC staff was so quick to suggest Officer trades, I would guess that they don't get as many applicants looking at those trades, so when they see someone who would qualify, they make the suggestion. Personally, I was looking for a trade that I felt was the right 'match' for me and I looked at several NCM and Officer trades before choosing 3 Officer trades.

I don't understand the whole NCM vs. Officer 'attitude' (for lack of a better word) that I see amongst some military personnel, however, both online and in the non-cyber world. I've yet to hear an Officer talk in a disparaging way about NCMs, but I've heard NCMs cut up Officers on several occasions. In some of the cases, the complainant may have had a legitimate beef. Nonetheless, it comes off looking like sour grapes a lot of the time.

To the OP: Read up a bit more on both trades that you are considering and about the responsibilities and roles of an NCM vice that of an Officer. Which role do you see yourself in more realistically? Either way, you are looking at some time getting more education and training in your chosen field. You want it to be time well spent, so choose the one that suits you best. Stop listening to people who don't know anything about the military or the trades you are considering. Talk to those who do.
 
Some of my experiences at the CFRC mirror that of CelticGirl as well. When I was doing my research for CF trades, I found a lot of compatibility with a few NCM positions and one Officer position. When I went into the CFRC to talk about it, they encouraged me to apply as an officer, and even though they listened to my point of view as to why I would like to apply as an NCM, they made their case as to why I should pursue my career in the CF as an officer. At the same time, they did say that ultimately it was my choice and I should join a trade I would be happiest in.

Other than that, I agree with the points made by CG regarding civilian views of ranks, NCM and officers :)
 
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