Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[SeaKingTacco]

I’m pretty sure it was the campaigning from women like the Famous Five in Canada, and suffragettes, that led to women having some equality.

This is a circular argument anyway. White men were/are generally the rulers so of course they would be the ones “giving the rights”. Petitions, etc had to go through them to be legal.

Just to be clear- are white males the source of all evil, throughout all of human history?

If we are to look around at the worst autocrats around the globe today, are those run by white males?

If find this whole thing facile and tiresome.

 

[OldSolduer]

Just to be clear- are white males the source of all evil, throughout all of human history?

If we are to look around at the worst autocrats around the globe today, are those run by white males?

If find this whole thing facile and tiresome.

I was thinking the same. Evil. White. Males.

Even though Pol Pot, Idi Amin etc are not white.

But it’s a convenient scapegoat for Canada’s and the world’s problems.

 

[dimsum]

Just to be clear- are white males the source of all evil, throughout all of human history?

Obviously not. But I was responding to the argument that white males are the folks who gave everyone else their rights with a smile and willingly.

Technically yes they did, because they were the rulers, but it wasn’t without some (in some cases a lot of) pushback.

People, regardless of gender or skin colour, can be assholes.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Obviously not. But I was responding to the argument that white males are the folks who gave everyone else their rights with a smile and willingly.

Technically yes they did, because they were the rulers, but it wasn’t without some (in some cases a lot of) pushback.

People, regardless of gender or skin colour, can be assholes.

Not always, everywhere

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Generally white males. However they are basically the only group in history to actively go against what was in their best interest for the betterment of all.

I have been reading Gulliver’s travels recently. It is very interesting in that it was written in around 1720, a time period where slavery was still common. The main character is enslaved, freed, enslaved again, almost worked to death, etc. and it is all taken as part of life. The way it is just accepted is fascinating.

We don’t have the same view point in the modern era, but its only because in the 1800’s and 1900’s white men decided to end those practices. Not only did they decide to end those practices in their own countries, they actively worked to end them elsewhere too. Look at the West Africa Squadron for example, it prevented 150,000 Africans from being enslaved, cost a ton of money to do so, and was a political nightmare for the British.

Basically every society to ever exist up until recently had slavery. Basically every society to ever exist had discrimination, sexism, etc. its only very recently (last 200 years) have we moved towards a society which doesn’t have that. And its basically directly white males who are responsible for allowing/causing that.

You are correct that the British took upon themselves to right that wrong and thanks to the size and power of the British Empire, the concept of anti-slavery was spread. There was also a anti-slavery movement in the US and that was one of the key factors in the US Civil War. There was the emergence of an ideal about the basic rights of a human being. This also started to change how society saw children and limited how they could be exploited.
Funny when I was doing a lot of consultations, I would be meeting with Hereditary Chiefs and I am thinking here is a system that was highly dependent on slavery only 140 years ago. Of course we were not supposed to remember that.

Current slavery exists in North Africa, parts of China and on the high seas. It would be nice to form an international squadron to stops fishing ships and release captive sailors and stop a lot of the illegal fishing going on.

Thomas Sowell does a good bunch of videos on the subject

 

[The Bread Guy]

Ask Hillary Clinton and the MSM about polling though eh ?

Well, people around here seem to be OK with the polls showing PP well ahead, but you're correct. The only real poll is the election.

Meanwhile, maybe JT needs this?

Rishi Sunak given Taylor Swift remix: "I'm the problem, it's me"

Rishi Sunak has been given a Taylor Swift remix saying “I’m the problem” as the general election is finally called.The embattled Prime Minister was given the Cassetteboy remix treatment, becoming one of many Tory leaders to have had a hilarious mashup made from their own words, including Boris...

www.indy100.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

Well, people around here seem to be OK with the polls showing PP well ahead, but you're correct. The only real poll is the election.

Meanwhile, maybe JT needs this?

Rishi Sunak given Taylor Swift remix: "I'm the problem, it's me"

Rishi Sunak has been given a Taylor Swift remix saying “I’m the problem” as the general election is finally called.The embattled Prime Minister was given the Cassetteboy remix treatment, becoming one of many Tory leaders to have had a hilarious mashup made from their own words, including Boris...

www.indy100.com

I love the way the polls are showing. But I am containing my joy until after the election.

 

[dimsum]

I love the way the polls are showing. But I am containing my joy until after the election.

If we’re going to continue with the US 2016 election theme, I don’t know if “joy” would be what most folks on here will feel after the election.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If we’re going to continue with the US 2016 election theme, I don’t know if “joy” would be what most folks on here will feel after the election.

I'm not sure some how equating PP to DJT is fair.

 

[Jarnhamar]

A part of every dollar reported as earned , is taxed.
The remaining portion is used to buy goods and services, which are taxed.
The remainder from that is used to pay debt on goods and services, which were taxed. The remainder from that goes to savings, which are taxed either up front or when used, or both.

It's fucking brutal man.

Then we watch out taxed dollars get absolutely pissed away.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I’m pretty sure it was the campaigning from women like the Famous Five in Canada, and suffragettes, that led to women having some equality.

This is a circular argument anyway. White men were/are generally the rulers so of course they would be the ones “giving the rights”. Petitions, etc had to go through them to be legal.

Campaign all you want, if the people in power refuse to give you any you aren’t going to get any. Look at Tiananmen square as a example of that.

Switzerland women only gained the right to vote in 1978, even democracies can hold back peoples rights.

 

[dimsum]

I'm not sure some how equating PP to DJT is fair.

I was suggesting that Hillary was the heavily favoured front runner by the polls. I am not comparing him (or Trudeau, or anyone else) to DJT.

 

[mariomike]

, I don’t know if “joy” would be what most folks on here will feel after the election.

I can think of people who sparked "love" and "joy" in my heart. Politicians are definitly not among them.

 

[Haggis]

I was suggesting that Hillary was the heavily favoured front runner by the polls. I am not comparing him (or Trudeau, or anyone else) to DJT.

If Trump wins Trudeau will not be able to resist comparing him to PP. I say that based on his resurgence of fear mongering over non-issue of abortion in Canada. Trump has falsely taken credit for Roe v Wade being overturned by his appointees to the USSC. And Trudeau doesn't let facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

 

[Remius]

Ask Hillary Clinton and the MSM about polling though eh ?

Speaking of polls.

Abacus Data Poll: Conservatives lead down to 16 as Liberals make gains among younger Canadians - Abacus Data

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abacusdata.ca

 

[Halifax Tar]

Speaking of polls.

Abacus Data Poll: Conservatives lead down to 16 as Liberals make gains among younger Canadians - Abacus Data

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abacusdata.ca

I'll believe the polld that is the day after the election.

 

[CBH99]

Do you mean both the inevitable next government lead by the CPC, or the next leader of the LPC? (or both?) If the latter, why do you think that they are deliberately trying to sabotage the next LPC leader? (and if the former, this who post is moot)

I think they are trying to deliberately sabotage the term for whoever is elected to be PM as his replacement for when he gets voted out, and I think even they know there's a very good chance it'll be Pierre

The reason I think this is being done on purpose simply goes back to the current government's spending habits, and the continuation of growing the national debt

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I've included an article that touches on the amount of debt we now have, and how much it costs to service that debt. $56 billion a year...yikes!

That's money they could be used to make the country a better place in a million different ways, that now has to go towards interest payments on debt. $56 billion dollars ... gone...

If Pierre wants to lower the national debt levels, he has quite a few options to increase government revenue that doesn't require him putting a foot on the average person.

(Ofcourse, not losing $60M here and $40M there will probably help a lot...)


If Pierre wants to shake loose the shackle that is really inhibiting our economic growth, he can eliminate the carbon tax.

But beyond that (which will be a great help!) anything he tries to cut will immediately make him the bad guy that the LPC can/will say "See! We told you he would do this!" while conveniently leaving out the part where they really didn't leave him any options...

If he downsizes the federal government (which has bloated by 31% in recent years) he'll be the bad guy who put all those people out of work.

If he cuts foreign aid money, he'll be made out to be the bad guy ushering those people into an even worst living situation.

If he cuts down on any financial assistance Canadians receive, he'll be the bad guy for leaving people destitute during a time of 'unprecedented financial pressures' - ofcourse not acknowledging that all of this spending (with an equal serving of 'no planning') is what's causing our cost of living to be so high in the first place


Everybody knows he NEEDS to cut spending, because our current spending is out of control. Doubling our national debt in 8yrs out of control. $56 billion in interest per year out of control.

But the current government has done such an insidiously good job of making a lot of people dependent on them that any cuts to spending will be met by cries of how Pierre cut some of the government assistance a lot of Canadians now rely on.

Pierre won't have a choice but to cut spending though. Doubling our national debt every 8yrs is NOT a good direction for our country to continue to go in.

So I do believe Trudeau & Freeland are deliberately sabotaging Pierre's first term in office, as a vast majority of his efforts will have to be focused on fixing everything they have broken.



As for him sabotaging the position as leader of the LPC when he's finally gone, I don't believe that is deliberate. But the more he focuses on leaving a trail of economic destruction for someone else to clean up, the more hated the LPC becomes, which makes it that much harder for any future leader of the party to get the party voted in.

 

[Remius]

Latest 338 aggregate.

338Canada Canada | Poll Analysis & Electoral Projections

338canada.com

LPC takes a modest increase in popular vote and seat count at what seems to be at the CPC’s expense.

I wonder if it is tied to the LPC increase in social media targetting or their attacks on PP that might have taken effect.

Too early to tell though as once again this might be blip.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Latest 338 aggregate.

338Canada Canada | Poll Analysis & Electoral Projections

338canada.com

LPC takes a modest increase in popular vote and seat count at what seems to be at the CPC’s expense.

I wonder if it is tied to the LPC increase in social media targetting or their attacks on PP that might have taken effect.

Too early to tell though as once again this might be blip.

An interesting paradox...


An Abacus Data survey shows Canadians continue to prefer the Conservatives, but don't want them to scrap the Liberals' 'marquee policies' on climate change and dental care, CEO David Coletto says....

 

[YZT580]

An interesting paradox...


An Abacus Data survey shows Canadians continue to prefer the Conservatives, but don't want them to scrap the Liberals' 'marquee policies' on climate change and dental care, CEO David Coletto says....

they don't want to give up their entitlements. That is how people end up bankrupt: they don't know when to stop spending