Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[Good2Golf]

Cracks in the dyke, or spitting into the wind?

In email to caucus, Liberal MP says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should step down

OTTAWA - One Liberal MP who is not seeking re-election has sent an email to fellow caucus members calling for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to step down as party leader.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

By itself, meh. If this leads to others piping up publicly, maaaaaaaaaaybe the snowball can begin?

Looks like the Guilbeault got recorded during a phone conversation on a VIA train, and someone has the transcript of at least his side of the conversation….

Earlier Friday, the Toronto Star reported that Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault was overheard in a train station this week discussing the situation and the unrest among the caucus.

Guilbeault responded to the story by issuing a statement that reiterated his loyalty to Trudeau and the party.

"One-sided conversations taken out of context do not reflect the open and honest exchanges that I routinely have with my caucus colleagues," Guilbeault said in the statement Friday.

"As I have said publicly many times, Prime Minister Trudeau has my full support, and I will continue to work to support Canadians."

 

[Rifleman62]

More, plus Carney as Finance Minister?

Liberal MP calls for Justin Trudeau to resign in email to caucus | Power & Politics​

 

[brihard]

Sounds like the potential caucus revolt is heating up.

 

[Maxman1]

Sounds like the potential caucus revolt is heating up.

 

[dimsum]

Sounds like the potential caucus revolt is heating up.

Yup.

I guess the litmus test is whether the CPC ads start shifting from Trudeau to LPC in general.

 

[PuckChaser]

Yup.

I guess the litmus test is whether the CPC ads start shifting from Trudeau to LPC in general.

They won't until he's gone. Why would they shift away from the face of the party before the final nail is in the coffin? Once he's gone, then they'll be able to switch to Singh as the prop up for Trudeau and finally demand an early election call once the LPC has a firm new leader. There is even more of a chance of an early election if the new LPC sacrificial lamb leader doesn't currently hold a seat.

 

[Good2Golf]

There is even more of a chance of an early election if the new LPC sacrificial lamb leader doesn't currently hold a seat.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Sounds like the potential caucus revolt is heating up.

I hope they don't.

It seems like some (not all) liberal supporters are finally reaching a point where they're unable to ignore Trudeau's behavior. That or their pocket book is getting hit hard enough.

Parachute in a new leader and they'll blindly flock right back to the Liberal banner.

 

[The Bread Guy]

They won't until he's gone. Why would they shift away from the face of the party before the final nail is in the coffin?

There’s also room for a narrative of “the face out front may be x, but it’s still Trudeau 3.0” in at least some Team Blue messaging if/when JT scoots.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I hope they don't.

It seems like some (not all) liberal supporters are finally reaching a point where they're unable to ignore Trudeau's behavior. That or their pocket book is getting hit hard enough.

Parachute in a new leader and they'll blindly flock right back to the Liberal banner.

Depends on what that leader does in the first month.

If they shuffle the cabinet of all the usual suspects? Maybe. If they are just putting a new face on the same dysfunctional government we have had for 9 year? Far less likely.

Whomever takes over the LPC leadership from Trudeau better be prepared to gut it to the studs and rebuild. A CFHA paint job isn't going to cut it.

 

[ModlrMike]

I think the Liberals are in trouble in any scenario. They hold a leadership convention in the last year of their mandate, and go to the polls with someone who hasn't had time to establish themselves, or they go with the same old baggage.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I think the Liberals are in trouble in any scenario. They hold a leadership convention in the last year of their mandate, and go to the polls with someone who hasn't had time to establish themselves, or they go with the same old baggage.

Plus, there is a real risk of a civil war breaking out in the party during an election year, as the caucus splits to support their leadership candidate.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Plus, there is a real risk of a civil war breaking out in the party during an election year, as the caucus splits to support their leadership candidate.

Agreed. DWD is not a Liberal tradition.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I think, all it will take is the right person to say it. Some back benches can say it with no real effect or bother. They likely know they won't be re-elected anyway. It will take a a high level minister to say "For the good of the party, trudeau needs to step down." It’s a sticky wicket though, the making or breaking of largesse and reputation, in the aftermath of politics, is still well within the grasp of Laurentien Elites. So anyone wanting to remain within the reptilian cabal would be hard pressed to start the ball rolling.

 

[Good2Golf]

I think, all it will take is the right person to say it. Some back benches can say it with no real effect or bother. They likely know they won't be re-elected anyway. It will take a a high level minister to say "For the good of the party, trudeau needs to step down." It’s a sticky wicket though, the making or breaking of largesse and reputation, in the aftermath of politics, is still well within the grasp of Laurentien Elites. So anyone wanting to remain within the reptilian cabal would be hard pressed to start the ball rolling.

Already happening, FBJ: Catherine McKenna, Nate Erskine-Smith: Lloyd Axeworthy…

Trudeau faces fresh calls to resign as Liberal leader — The Globe and Mail

MP Wayne Long and former cabinet member Catherine McKenna have added to the voices calling on Trudeau to resign, as concern grows that the party is heading toward a disastrous general election

apple.news

 

[Good2Golf]

I mean how badly do you have had to crappé le lit, to have Pink Floyd tell you it’s time???

 

[The Bread Guy]

Sounds like the potential caucus revolt is heating up.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe - one email and one "reply all" saying "yup" is a start, but it's still early day, especially with all the other pressure that's been brought to bear. That's why I'm still in the "is it?" stage right now. Still fun to watch

I think, all it will take is the right person to say it ...

Could be, but an aaaaaaaaaaawful lot of big players (although not cabinet ministers to this point) have said things out loud & in public it's time. We'll have to see who's brave enough when -- and if the message transmitted is received and acted on.

 

[CBH99]

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe - one email and one "reply all" saying "yup" is a start, but it's still early day, especially with all the other pressure that's been brought to bear. That's why I'm still in the "is it?" stage right now. Still fun to watch

Could be, but an aaaaaaaaaaawful lot of big players (although not cabinet ministers to this point) have said things out loud & in public it's time. We'll have to see who's brave enough when -- and if the message transmitted is received and acted on.

Despite losing the long-time stronghold riding just last week, as well as both Senators and now an MP saying it out loud - not to mention poll after poll after poll has the LPC ratings hitting the toilet even more than they were previously...

...he has STILL said he doesn't plan on quitting & intends to remain right where he is.

It's mind boggling. Utterly mind boggling.



If his true concern was for Canadians, he'd listen to them and heed their wishes the way an elected person is supposed to. And our wish is for him to, at the very least, screw off indefinitely...

 

[Good2Golf]

If his true concern was for Canadians

He’s always been about the face in the mirror.

 

[OldSolduer]

If his true concern was for Canadians, he'd listen to them and heed their wishes the way an elected person is supposed to. And our wish is for him to, at the very least, screw off indefinitely...

You're just experiencing it differently......