Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[dimsum]

Apparently his entourage shoves people out of the way and cuts in line.

Like JT cuts in line, or his Close Protection cuts in line?

The first answer looks bad, the second answer is them doing their jobs.

 

[Furniture]

Like JT cuts in line, or his Close Protection cuts in line?

The first answer looks bad, the second answer is them doing their jobs.

The problem is, the more rough the CP detail is, the more they radicalize people against all politicians and "elites".

They may have legitimate security concerns, but if their default is shoving and barking orders rather than polite requests escalating to firm but polite movement, they are making their future job harder.

 

[Jarnhamar]

CP cutting in line for someone on vacation is still a dick move.

 

[daftandbarmy]

CP cutting in line for someone on vacation is still a dick move.

But SOP when skiing in France

 

[IKnowNothing]

I don't care who you are or what you think... that person is a classless piece of trash for doing that.

And what's worse than the lack of class- the lack of any semblance of panache or wit.

Against all odds you find yourself face to face with the PM. A chance to engage face to face, to really zing him, make him think. You have your phone ready to immortalize the verbal carnage. His guard is down, completely unprepared for your withering condemnation. The moment comes...
"Hey. fuck you buddy"

 

[lenaitch]

RCMP protective has been poaching cops for years ever since they finally got their raise.

Are they operated as a separate entity now?

A much nicer gig sounds like guarding someone like former First-Lady Bess Truman.

A former OPP boss did a little time in security branch on the Lt. Gov. detail during Pauline McGibbon's tenure. He said it was like going shopping with your grandmother, every day.

 

[brihard]

Are they operated as a separate entity now?

My understanding is RCMP protective ops is its own distinctive business line within RCMP, and people can spend a whole career there - although many still regularly move in and out. They’re still normal mounties though. I just meant that they’ve been direct hiring lateral officers right into protective. So a guy on the road with, say, Ottawa Police might lateral over knowing that they’re going to protective in Ottawa, not rolling the dice on going to the prairies.

Their close protections units get a fair bit of travel, decent schedules, easy overtime, and they aren’t dealing with the usual front line policing crap. That can be attractive to someone sitting on years of front line policing who wants to do something easier and different.

 

[mariomike]

A former OPP boss did a little time in security branch on the Lt. Gov. detail during Pauline McGibbon's tenure. He said it was like going shopping with your grandmother, every day.

Friend of mine - no police or security experience, didn't need it back then, I guess - wrecked his back. They put him on MET 001 driving the boss.

He never had it so good.

 

[mariomike]

My understanding is RCMP protective ops is its own distinctive business line within RCMP, and people can spend a whole career there -

I don't think Canada has anything similar - yet.

But, I think it would be pleasant to work for ( some ) of these people - like President and ( the late ) Mrs. Carter after they retire from politics.

President Carter has had a Secret Service detail for half a century.

I think Lady Bird Johnson had hers for about 45 years. From what I read, she was also very nice to work for.

 

[lenaitch]

I don't think Canada has anything similar - yet.

But, I think it would be pleasant to work for ( some ) of these people - like President and ( the late ) Mrs. Carter after they retire from politics.

President Carter has had a Secret Service detail for half a century.

I think Lady Bird Johnson had hers for about 45 years. From what I read, she was also very nice to work for.

And likely won't. In spite of their myths, the US didn't get rid of royalty - they just replaced it with their own. Here, once you are out of power you are simply a former politician unless their is some credible threat or intelligence that would warrant protection.

 

[mariomike]

In spite of their myths, the US didn't get rid of royalty - they just replaced it with their own.

Right.

From what I read on the U.S. Secret Service website:

Protection for the ( current ) President and Vice President of the United States is mandatory. All other individuals entitled to our protection may decline security if they choose.

eg: Former President Nixon declined taxpayer paid security,

That can be attractive to someone sitting on years of front line policing who wants to do something easier and different.

I think getting off 9-1-1, without a pay loss, was the ambition of many, if an honourable path existed.

 

[Czech_pivo]

My wife’s cousin was RCMP security for a number of years and protected a number of high profile national and international politicians. I think he had eyes in the back of his head.

I used to drink/party in the bars in downtown Detroit back in the early 90’s - I had eyes on the back of my head back then…

 

[mariomike]

I used to drink/party in the bars in downtown Detroit back in the early 90’s - I had eyes on the back of my head back then…

Same working part-time at Brinks...

 

[Good2Golf]

I feel sorry for his kids if they have to witness the hatred people have for him.

One should always have compassion for any child, where any parent no matter their notoriety or lack thereof, bring potentially negative attention to their children.

I don't care who you are or what you think... that person is a classless piece of trash for doing that.

Fairly strong judgmental words, n’est-ce pas? Maybe she has class, or a class, lower-class? Maybe she had a family business, or herself previously middle-class, career or QOL destroyed by deliberate actions by the PM and doesn’t care if people judge her for telling off the person she feels has so negatively impacted her life. Who knows? I won’t judge her, since she wasn’t showing off a F*CK TRUDEAU flag or anything like that…just exercising her Charter Right to express herself.

My understanding is RCMP protective ops is its own distinctive business line within RCMP, and people can spend a whole career there - although many still regularly move in and out. They’re still normal mounties though. I just meant that they’ve been direct hiring lateral officers right into protective. So a guy on the road with, say, Ottawa Police might lateral over knowing that they’re going to protective in Ottawa, not rolling the dice on going to the prairies.

Their close protections units get a fair bit of travel, decent schedules, easy overtime, and they aren’t dealing with the usual front line policing crap. That can be attractive to someone sitting on years of front line policing who wants to do something easier and different.

I hear tell from folks in POCC that your understanding is pretty good…

He never had it so good.

…well, other than his wrecked back…

I don't think Canada has anything similar - yet.

Other than after some immediate post-Depot penance, it would seem that there can be de facto long-term service in Protective Operations.

 

[lenaitch]

My understanding is RCMP protective ops is its own distinctive business line within RCMP, and people can spend a whole career there - although many still regularly move in and out. They’re still normal mounties though. I just meant that they’ve been direct hiring lateral officers right into protective. So a guy on the road with, say, Ottawa Police might lateral over knowing that they’re going to protective in Ottawa, not rolling the dice on going to the prairies.

Their close protections units get a fair bit of travel, decent schedules, easy overtime, and they aren’t dealing with the usual front line policing crap. That can be attractive to someone sitting on years of front line policing who wants to do something easier and different.

I never did it full-time but was on our 'spare board' when the OPP security branch needed extra bodies. Mostly driver/motorcade but the occasional bodyguard when someone was guest of the province (usually another premier) and site security. You are right that there is no midnights, no radio calls and regular overtime (you're on so long as your principal is on) but it is the epitome of an 'hurry up and wait' or 'hours of boredom interrupted by moments of excitement' type of assignment.

 

[dapaterson]

The question right now is who will be the Harris / Campbell to Trudeau's Biden / Mulroney.

 

[Good2Golf]

Hopefully the Earth’s climate survives his multi-trip out-and-backing between Ottawa and successive skit trips and returns to see his daughter off to Florida and back to BC, etc. Someone will probably calculate how many tons of carbon the back and girthing has belched into the atmosphere…

 

[RangerRay]

The question right now is who will be the Harris / Campbell to Trudeau's Biden / Mulroney.

I think it will be Trudeau. I see no sign of him leaving on his own accord. Even if caucus does vote him off the island, I see him saying “That’s nice” and continuing on as normal.

He is living in his own reality distortion field. Others have said this about him even before he entered politics.

 

[dapaterson]

I think it will be Trudeau. I see no sign of him leaving on his own accord. Even if caucus does vote him off the island, I see him saying “That’s nice” and continuing on as normal.

He is living in his own reality distortion field. Others have said this about him even before he entered politics.

I think eventually even the advisors who drove the Ontario Liberal Party to oblivion who now advise & direct him will admit the problem and convince him to (gracelessly) withdraw, at which point he will become the John Diefenbaker of the LPC, perpetually undermining his successors.

 

[Good2Golf]

Even if caucus does vote him off the island, I see him saying “That’s nice” and continuing on as normal.

They can’t vote him off the Liberal Island, but indirectly they could vote with Poilievre against the confidence of the Government and thus indirectly result in an end to Trudeau’s rule…but at a cost of being seen to side with the enemy.