Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[ArmyRick]

To be faaaaaair, I'm pretty sure there was a duty to report if CAF members were suspected of being gay way back then

Well, gays had been legally allowed a year prior. However, I will be honest, you didn't want to be out of the closet at that time, you would get eaten alive. Some changes in military culture have been for the better.

 

[Remius]

If the NDP and LPC merged, many of the blue collared worker union folks would walk away. Many of them already are because of Jagmeet hypocrisy.

Yes. I think it would be more of the leftist socialists though that think the the LPC is too right wing as well.

The NDP had anlready lost its union support when they ignored them in favour of a more champagne socialist platform. The CPC populist approach was used to great effect to attract that voting block. They went to where they at least feel heard.

 

[dapaterson]

The LPC has tended orange of late, to recover the Layton Liberals. But that means they have been bleeding the Blue Liberals to the CPC.

 

[ArmyRick]

They went to where they at least feel heard.

THAT right there is dead on. If someone said "Armyrick, you loudmouth asshole, what is the simplest campaigning strategy to guarantee success in elections". I would steal THAT one liner right there.

 

[ArmyRick]

The LPC has tended orange of late, to recover the Layton Liberals. But that means they have been bleeding the Blue Liberals to the CPC.

I wonder if we will get back to old school political ways or is this "the new normal?"

The traditional views?

LPC? The academic minded, socially thinking but fiscally reasonable Center/left party

CPC? The business minded, tax reducing, money saving Center/right party

NDP? The Union/disabled/Single parents/poverty stricken people matter too party (Can dance either side of the center line)

BQ? Having things so good in Canada that they don't exist

Green? Not needed.

 

[YZT580]

THAT right there is dead on. If someone said "Armyrick, you loudmouth asshole, what is the simplest campaigning strategy to guarantee success in elections". I would steal THAT one liner right there.

Very true. That is what Trump did with the undesireables

 

[ArmyRick]

Very true. That is what Trump did with the undesireables

Truth be told, if you do as Remius says, you can win any election. Not just the "undesirables" or any other labelled portion of a population. The trick is not just to HEAR the people but ACT appropriately on it.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Libs down to just 6 seats in this AR national poll and it may be worse in the Nanos poll.
So there will not be an election until October? I mean why would they?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873833081133842669

 

[YZT580]

not good unless the GG can legitimately refuse Trudeau's upcoming request to pirogue parliament. If he rules for 60 days by fiat he will drive a stake through whatever economy we have left or maybe (fingers crossed he will just resign and go for a new leader

 

[Jarnhamar]

Almost time for Trudeau to promise everyone can either work from home or get free basic income if you don't feel like working.

 

[brihard]

When you are on parade and the PM is inspecting the guard, are you biting the inside of your mouth to keep from blurting out exactly what she said? What prevents you? Your inherent refinement, discipline or the desire to maintain your income? IMHO she has merely expressed what we would all like to say and can't. Bravo lady.

No; I’m a functioning adult possessed of basic civility. I don’t need an external constraint to prevent from making a spectacle of myself telling a politician to eff off in front of their kid. If I don’t like a politician, I vote against them. If the opportunity arises I might respectfully discuss and debate policy, which I’ve had the opportunity to do a couple times over beers with serving MPs.

Not everyone shares my preferred approach, and that’s fine. To each their own.

 

[Remius]

not good unless the GG can legitimately refuse Trudeau's upcoming request to pirogue parliament. If he rules for 60 days by fiat he will drive a stake through whatever economy we have left or maybe (fingers crossed he will just resign and go for a new leader

She won’t.

Harper set the precedent for gvts to avoid non confidence motions using prorogation.

 

[dimsum]

Absolute garbage article. Typical Left wing trash with no details or facts and just declaring anybody who disagrees with the far left woke as "far right" blah, blah, blah....garbage.

Your getting tiresome, dude.

At least find a source worthy of making some commentary against this lady such as CBC, CTV or Global. Convoy Watch? Read the article in detail, its very short on facts and heavy on allegations.

…and catching up on the pages since I came back, you take things far too personally. Looking at your responses, I was wondering if I had insulted you by accident.

As I said in my original comment, the site is biased but it links to its sources.

Almost time for Trudeau to promise everyone can either work from home or get free basic income if you don't feel like working.

So, interesting thing about Universal Basic Income - they did a trial in the 1970s in Dauphin, MB called Mincome where if you made below a certain threshold, the program gave you a “top up”.

Canada’s forgotten universal basic income experiment

Amid wide unemployment during Covid-19, basic income schemes have gained fresh relevance. A successful Canadian scheme that's over four decades old could provide a road map for others.

www.bbc.com

“It wasn’t a case of getting money to live and do nothing,” says Sharon Wallace-Storm, who grew up in Dauphin and was 15 when the experiment began. “They set a level for how much a family of three or four needed to get by. You applied showing how much you were making, and if you didn’t meet that threshold they would give you a top up.”

But more specific to your point, part of the reason for the Mincome trial was to see if people would actually stop working. They didn’t stop working, and the evaluators realized that hospitalizations went down and school graduation rates went up.

 

[brihard]

She won’t.

Harper set the precedent for gvts to avoid non confidence motions using prorogation.

It was a garbage precedent to set then and would be a garbage one to uphold now. However it would be a worse precedent for the GG to go against that constitutional convention.

I would be more open to the three opposition leaders jointly approaching the GG to say that the government no longer has the confidence of the House, but that they are being blocked from the opportunity to demonstrate that in a vote. As such, any prorogue should be short in duration so as to permit a prompt confidence vote. In the present circumstances, I don’t believe that would be unreasonable.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Yes. I think it would be more of the leftist socialists though that think the the LPC is too right wing as well.

The NDP had anlready lost its union support when they ignored them in favour of a more champagne socialist platform. The CPC populist approach was used to great effect to attract that voting block. They went to where they at least feel heard.

The LPC/NDP flip flopping with using the CIRB to legislate a whole bunch of groups back to work at the 11th hour was a major dissatisfier for people in the Labour Union Movement.

I am friends with some of the Local Chairs here and we've discussed it over coffee and they are of the opinion that there is no political party that is "Pro Labour" anymore in Canada.

No; I’m a functioning adult possessed of basic civility. I don’t need an external constraint to prevent from making a spectacle of myself telling a politician to eff off in front of their kid. If I don’t like a politician, I vote against them. If the opportunity arises I might respectfully discuss and debate policy, which I’ve had the opportunity to do a couple times over beers with serving MPs.

Not everyone shares my preferred approach, and that’s fine. To each their own.

I don't even see a problem with telling a politician to their face that you don't approve of them or something they did but there is a way to be civil about it and just not sound like a jackass. This person was just doing it for Instagram Clout.

I'm not even surprised anymore though, social media has polluted people's minds.

Like I said, just a typical mouthy idiot used to living consequence free.

 

[dapaterson]

CPC has announced an intent to revisit the Rand formula to limit such payments by non members represented by a collective bargaining agent to those costs related to bargaining only (not the wider social justice efforts made by many unions). That could be a strong tool to encourage folks to quit the union to pay less...

It's a canny approach to causing divisions within organized labour, while being able to claim they are trying to save workers money, all when the major federal public sector unions will be entering a bargaining cycle, when the largest and most militant blew its strike fund unsuccessfully a couple years earlier and has a lack of legitimacy with its members after they claimed to have all but enshrined WFH and found out a promise to study something is pretty much worthless.

TL;DR the early months of the CPC might be particularly interesting to watch in terms of organized labour.

Wild card: watch for the Rand changes to be pushed through with the Notwithstanding Clause.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

not good unless the GG can legitimately refuse Trudeau's upcoming request to pirogue parliament. If he rules for 60 days by fiat he will drive a stake through whatever economy we have left or maybe (fingers crossed he will just resign and go for a new leader

She won’t.

Harper set the precedent for gvts to avoid non confidence motions using prorogation.

The Harper prorogation was not automatic, and it also came with a long list of caveats, including a budget to be voted on (confidence motion) once Parliament resumed. PMs asking to dissolve Parliament aren't always a rubber stamp approval.

Additionally, as @brihard mentioned, precendent is a consideration but not a requirement when exercising powers within our constitutional monarchy. Our GG retains the Reserve Powers of the Crown to system override the whole situation, should it be required. That would be extremely heavy handed and break within the concept of Responsible Government lead by the Commons. Then again... I have been wishing for precendented times since I saw a plane crash into the South Tower live on TV on my way to middle school; so..... who knows?

I trust the GG and her Constitutional advisors to make the best decision possible within our constitution. It may or may not be the one we want.

 

[brihard]

CPC has announced an intent to revisit the Rand formula to limit such payments by non members represented by a collective bargaining agent to those costs related to bargaining only (not the wider social justice efforts made by many unions). That could be a strong tool to encourage folks to quit the union to pay less...

It's a canny approach to causing divisions within organized labour, while being able to claim they are trying to save workers money, all when the major federal public sector unions will be entering a bargaining cycle, when the largest and most militant blew its strike fund unsuccessfully a couple years earlier and has a lack of legitimacy with its members after they claimed to have all but enshrined WFH and found out a promise to study something is pretty much worthless.

TL;DR the early months of the CPC might be particularly interesting to watch in terms of organized labour.

Wild card: watch for the Rand changes to be pushed through with the Notwithstanding Clause.

Wow. A change to Rand would be monumental within Canadian union law.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So, interesting thing about Universal Basic Income - they did a trial in the 1970s in Dauphin, MB called Mincome where if you made below a certain threshold, the program gave you a “top up”.

Ahhh, but universal basic income isn't Mincome though. The Mincome trial involved people who already had jobs whom were topped up.

Universal income would include people who don't work. I think it was estimated at $50B or $60B a year?

One of the trials main concerns was incentivizing people not to work, and that was in the 70s. I'd say 2024s sense of entitlement is considerably bigger.


Trudeau is going to promise it and Canadians will vote for him thinking they can sit home on their ass and get paid.

 

[DBNSG]

She won’t.

Harper set the precedent for gvts to avoid non confidence motions using prorogation.

Pierre Trudeau Prorogued 11 Times. 11.