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Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

I think it is safe to assume that removing the carbon tax will be a policy position. Maybe we might see some GST manipulation on certain things as well. What I don’t like as much though are the boutique tax credits that Harper was known for.

Loosening gun laws. That will also likely be a policy position as well. Just don’t sell it as a « loosening ». O’Toole was weak on that and was the beginning of the end for him after he messed that up during that debate. Call it firearm reform or something. My point isn’t to criticize how you framed it HT, I know what you are meaning. But it reinforces my point that gun laws are tough sells and how it gets framed and presented will be a challenge for the CPC. The current legislation is bad legislation, on that I agree but the CPC will need to tread lightly.

Electoral reform. Not so sure that will be there. I haven’t heard too much rumblings from the CPC about that.

You’ll likely get your 2/3rds.

I get ya. And I was already thinking I could have worded loosening gun laws better. Fair points.

I am hoping for further tax reductions beyond just the carbon tax. But I also view things like income tax as theft, I will admit my biases.
 
Which reminds me are we still paying for World War 1?

IMO very few governments ever eliminate or reduce a tax once its in place.

At this point cutting income tax would probably cause a collapse for many people as they depend on mine and yours tax dollars to survive.

But I would eliminate all forms and levels of income tax and up user fees and consumption taxes. But I would also probably cut any and all support to arts, sports, entertainment, news and social welfare.
 
For me I want to see:

Lower taxes
Loosening of gun laws
Electoral Reform / HoC seat redistribution
Lower taxes, including the carbon tax, are no brainers.

Any proposal to reverse of current gun laws (including C-21, which WILL pass) will lose him the GTA, lower mainland and urban Québec. It's best to wait until he wins a majority to move on that. Keep the policy statement vanilla and make no promises other that "we will respect lawful gun owners and support their ability to participate in legitimate shooting sports" because after C-21, very few shooting sports will remain "legitimate".

Trudeau looked at electoral reform and decided it would be too hard, but would also hurt his chances for re-election. Why would it be different for PP?
 
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On one hand I'd like Poilievre to just straight out answer; no I'm not speaking to the far left.

But I'm also confident it wouldn't stop there. If anything it would open up the floodgates to be badgered with similar questions over and over. All in order to maybe win a few votes here and there?

It seems the better economy of effort is to keep talking about how terrible things are for a lot of Canadians.
 
He’s a fanboy. I get it. I was a Stockwell Day fanboy till I figured out he was incompetent at leading a federal party. I get the feeling that if PP walked out on stage tomorrow wearing a green suit carrying a Little Red Book and spouting Maoist BS, his fanboys would say how brilliant he was.

Honestly, I’m not the one that needs to be sold. Against my better judgment, I will probably be voting CPC even though I live in a solidly Liberal riding because JT is the absolute worst PM I have ever had the displeasure of living through. But by going on about these boutique, highly online conspiracy theories about a wankfest for the world’s rich and powerful, he’s performing fan service for the converted instead of winning over the suburbanites who are worried about buying a house and keeping up with their mortgages. When these people see these clips (especially when the Liberals put them on a continuous loop during the election). It’s like two steps forward, one step back with PP.

And yes, I do think he handled that poorly because he came across as a condescending jerk who can’t be bothered to let facts get in the way of a good smear job. He’s not giving the voters he needs reason to vote for him other than “I’m not Trudeau.”

Just because the choir is lapping it up doesn’t mean it plays well to the masses. If he keeps this performance up, we’re going to see PMJT re-elected. While Trudeau and the Liberals suck at governing, they are amazing campaigners.
YOU are part of the problem with politics in Canada. You accuse me of being a fan boy/ I still think your a closet Trudeau supporter in that case. I am supporting PP right now. Why? He presents the best COA. Not emotional drivel or loving his t-shirt or his hair, none of that shit.
He is offering up the best alternatives to the disaster of a government in place.

I have asked time and time again for the best option HERE AND NOW for the next prime minister. People like you stall and dither and won't back PP. Wonder why?

This thread is about Trudeau failing BTW.
 
What I care more about than lower taxes and gun laws (two things I care about dearly) is the lack of effort being put forward to deal with criminals and addicts. It isn’t the cops fault they are hamstrung by the laws, they hate catch and release likely more than I do.

The fact it is not as safe today as it was 10 years ago is a embarrassment. We need to get a grip on this. There is plenty of public spaces I no longer go due to the potential danger, something I never felt in Canada until recently. This isn’t the environment I wish for my children to grow up in. I see value in being armed in our society now, which was something I never considered a need for before.

Cancel catch and release, add more judges to the bench, punish those who seek to drag out the court process and waste what limited resources they possess.
 
Lower taxes, including the carbon tax, are no brainers.

Any proposal to reverse of current gun laws (including C-21, which WILL pass) will lose him the GTA, lower mainland and urban Québec. It's best to wait until he wins a majority to move on that. Keep the policy statement vanilla and make no promises other that "we will respect lawful gun owners and support their ability to participate in legitimate shooting sports" because after C-21, very few shooting sports will remain "legitimate".

Trudeau looked at electoral reform and decided it would be too hard, but would also hurt his chances for re-election. Why would it be different for PP?

I didn't say I had the answers, I said what I would like to see.
 
Canadians have had plenty of federal tax cuts over the past couple of decades; we don't need any more cuts and we are desperately short of revenue. This is no time for revenue cuts. What is needed are spending cuts. That necessarily means that some things will have to go away. The only response to "But we risk reducing services to Canadians" is "Yes, obviously" followed by highlighting what is being shored up (eg. health care transfers).

There isn't really any safe option for Poilievre facing a hostile questioner. If he accepts the premises of a questioner, he'll be criticized one way; if he denies the premises, he'll be criticized another. There's no point wrestling with the pigs.
 
I didn't say I had the answers, I said what I would like to see.
I get that. And you're not alone in putting those items on your government actions wish list. But the LPC are only interested in initiatives that play well with their base and get/keep them voting Team Red.

Gun control is one example of political Kryptonite for the CPC. O'Toole handled that very badly in 2021.

I believe it's best for the CPC to keep the policy statements simple and understandable, couched in positive language. Make no grandiose promises (e.g. "We will end gun crime in Canada!" or "We will be net zero by the end of 2050!"), but have a plan in place, while releasing minimal details framed in a manner that shows a positive improvement over what the LPC are currently offering.

Then comes the hard part - maintaining the unity and discipline of the messaging.
 
Canadians have had plenty of federal tax cuts over the past couple of decades; we don't need any more cuts and we are desperately short of revenue. This is no time for revenue cuts. What is needed are spending cuts. That necessarily means that some things will have to go away. The only response to "But we risk reducing services to Canadians" is "Yes, obviously" followed by highlighting what is being shored up (eg. health care transfers).

Perhaps a "safe" swing for Poilievre would be to promise to "unfeck" procurement writ large and to retask all those new hires of Trudeau's to PWGSC/PSPC with a separate, effective, department actively engaged in supporting civilian infrastructure while another, equally separate, equally effective and equally active department supports the military and Canada's Emergency Preparedness needs. A lot can be accomplished within the existing uniformed personnel envelope by civilianizing a lot of uniformed support and admin roles - if the uniforms can learn to trust the suits and vice versa.

There isn't really any safe option for Poilievre facing a hostile questioner. If he accepts the premises of a questioner, he'll be criticized one way; if he denies the premises, he'll be criticized another. There's no point wrestling with the pigs.

Yup. Trump enjoys wrestling with pigs. That is both his strength and weakness.
 
Perhaps a "safe" swing for Poilievre would be to promise to "unfeck" procurement writ large and to retask all those new hires of Trudeau's to PWGSC/PSPC
Maybe; little piece add up.

Spending exceeds revenues by a large amount; big programs - health insurance, defence - are manifestly underfunded in ways which compromise Canadians individually (eg. health) and collectively (eg. national interests at the big kids' tables); and the stability of the government depends on an arrangement with the NDP, who regard adding new spending commitments so that Canadians have more theoretical benefits (which as a matter of course some can not in practice access) as a "win". Part of the price of pharmacare, dental coverage, day care, child subsidies, etc is young(-ish) people dying of treatable diseases, treated too late.

Whether or not someone believes that current spending can be sustained indefinitely, there is no question that current spending is not enough to meet obligations to Canadians. A bunch of things - maybe a very large number of small things - have to go.
 
Maybe; little piece add up.

Spending exceeds revenues by a large amount; big programs - health insurance, defence - are manifestly underfunded in ways which compromise Canadians individually (eg. health) and collectively (eg. national interests at the big kids' tables); and the stability of the government depends on an arrangement with the NDP, who regard adding new spending commitments so that Canadians have more theoretical benefits (which as a matter of course some can not in practice access) as a "win". Part of the price of pharmacare, dental coverage, day care, child subsidies, etc is young(-ish) people dying of treatable diseases, treated too late.

Whether or not someone believes that current spending can be sustained indefinitely, there is no question that current spending is not enough to meet obligations to Canadians. A bunch of things - maybe a very large number of small things - have to go.

It seems to me that the hardest thing to do in politics is to kill a project. I am reminded of Mulroney having troubles with seniors because of a "sacred" commitment that Trudeau senior made to them a couple of months before he handed the reins to Turner.

On the other hand those government projects become like chapters in a book. Nobody reads past the Table of Contents. As long as the chapter exists in the Table of Contents most folks are satisfied. The real issue is whether or not the government cheque shows up on schedule. And how many of those cheques can we afford.

I agree that the likely solution is the elimination of a very large number of small things - and taking advantage of opportunities where possible. I am reminded of programmes established for WW1 and WW2 vets. Those programmes have died with the vets.

On the other hand a lot of the benefits that were special to those vets have now become standard issue for the populace at large. Everybody wants the same special treatment.
 
Trudeau looked at electoral reform and decided it would be too hard, but would also hurt his chances for re-election. Why would it be different for PP?
Because electoral reform is beneficial to organizations that have wider overall popular support, vice those that benefit from a beneficial Status quo.
 
PP is beginning to show that his CPC is a viable alternative to the LPC. But can he maintain that until October 2025, the only polling date that really matters?

During his cabinet shuffle Trudeau said there would not be an early election. But, if he takes his walk on the beach on Truth & Reconciliation Day and surfs into the sunset, then I believe we will have an early election.
He's never told the truth before. Why would you believe him when he says no early election? The MP for my area is liberal. I never hear much about him. Twice I wrote him with concerns and both times he made his clerk deal with it. I never did get to talk to him.

Suddenly, he all over the news, glad handing and making promises. My mailbox has stuff from him 4 days out of 5.

Maybe trudeau doesn't care, but my MP sure seems to.
 
YOU are part of the problem with politics in Canada. You accuse me of being a fan boy/ I still think your a closet Trudeau supporter in that case. I am supporting PP right now. Why? He presents the best COA. Not emotional drivel or loving his t-shirt or his hair, none of that shit.
He is offering up the best alternatives to the disaster of a government in place.

I have asked time and time again for the best option HERE AND NOW for the next prime minister. People like you stall and dither and won't back PP. Wonder why?

This thread is about Trudeau failing BTW.
Spoken like a true cultist. Cultists often speak in black and white, “if you’re not for x, you’re for y” terms.

I see PP as marginally better than JT, but PP still has high negative net approval ratings in the ridings he needs to win if he wants to be PM. He should stick to the economy and affordability issues rather than wallow in culture war and conspiracy theories if he wants voters outside of Fort Bumfucknowhere to take him seriously as a contender.
 
Spoken like a true cultist. Cultists often speak in black and white, “if you’re not for x, you’re for y” terms.

I see PP as marginally better than JT, but PP still has high negative net approval ratings in the ridings he needs to win if he wants to be PM. He should stick to the economy and affordability issues rather than wallow in culture war and conspiracy theories if he wants voters outside of Fort Bumfucknowhere to take him seriously as a contender.
Why?
 

It has been a while since I read anything by Jeffrey Simpson. To be honest I seldom read the Globe and Mail because I feel that by buying their newspaper I am contributing to the Governing Party.

Accordingly I missed this great article.

Decline of the Liberal empire in Canada​

Under Justin Trudeau, the Liberals have lost many of the values and stabilizing influences that kept his predecessors connected to Canadians
JEFFREY SIMPSONSPECIAL TO THE GLOBE AND MAILPUBLISHED OCTOBER 29, 2022

Jeffrey Simpson is the author of eight books and the former national affairs columnist for The Globe and Mail. This essay is adapted from a speech delivered at St. Francis Xavier University on Oct. 20.

Here’s a conundrum or a contradiction: Canada’s Liberal Party has won three elections in a row, yet it has been in long-term decline for some decades.

For much of the 20th century, the Liberals were the world’s most successful democratic party, winning more elections and staying in power longer than any other. They were “Canada’s natural governing party.” And yet, the Liberals retained power in the last election with the smallest share of the popular vote for a “winning” party in Canadian history. Polls taken since the last election, for what they are worth, show little movement in the Liberals’ favour despite tens of billions of dollars spent during the pandemic and a subsequent summer showering the country with announcements of fresh spending.

Under Canada’s first-past-the-post system, seats rather than share of the popular vote dictate which party forms the government. The Conservatives pile up huge majorities of the popular vote on the Prairies, and in rural British Columbia and Ontario. These majorities, however, provide fewer seats than the ones captured by the Liberals in and around Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa and especially Toronto. In two consecutive elections, the Liberals won fewer votes than the Conservatives but enough seats to form minority governments.

In the last election, the Liberals won 32 per cent of the vote. In 2019, they took 33 per cent, a six-point slide from 2015 when they attracted 39.5 per cent. These totals compare unfavourably with popular-vote shares amassed by Liberal prime ministers Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin in winning the elections of 1993, 1997, 2000 and 2004: 41 per cent, 38.5 per cent, 41 per cent and 37 per cent. Pierre Trudeau, Justin’s father, led the party in five elections from 1968 to 1980, during which the party’s share of the popular vote was 45.5 per cent, 38.5 per cent, 43 per cent, 40 per cent and 44 per cent.

Liberals' share of popular vote, 1867 to 2021
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1867-01-0149
1872-01-0149.1
1874-01-0153.8
1878-01-0145.1
1882-01-0146.6
1887-01-0148.9
1891-01-0146.4
1896-01-0145.1
1900-01-0152
1904-01-0152.5
1908-01-0150.6
1911-01-0147.8
1917-01-0140.1
1921-01-0140.7
1925-01-0140.4
1926-01-0143.6
1930-01-0143.9
1935-01-0144.4
1940-01-0151.3
1945-01-0141.4
1949-01-0150.1
1953-01-0150
1957-01-0142.3
1958-01-0133.8
1962-01-0137.4
1963-01-0141.7
1965-01-0139.8
1968-01-0145.5
1972-01-0138.5
1974-01-0143.2
1979-01-0140.1
1980-01-0144.3
1984-01-0128
1988-01-0131.9
1993-01-0141.3
1997-01-0138.5
2000-01-0140.8
2004-01-0136.7
2006-01-0130.2
2008-01-0126.2
2011-01-0118.9
2015-01-0139.5
2019-01-0133.1
2021-01-0132.6

LIBERALS' SHARE OF POPULAR VOTE, 1867 TO 2021​


Put another way, Liberal victories under Justin Trudeau were won with an average share of the popular vote of 35 per cent, compared with 39 per cent under Mr. Chrétien and Mr. Martin, and 42 per cent under Pierre Trudeau. In a late-September poll this year by Leger, the Liberals stood at 28 per cent, six points behind the Conservatives. An Angus Reid Institute survey, taken at the same time, showed the Liberals with 30 per cent, seven points behind the Conservatives. A new Nanos poll, released this week, puts the Liberals at 30 per cent, six points behind the Conservatives.

At the provincial level, the Liberals are in desperate shape. They govern only one province in Canada: Newfoundland and Labrador. Conservatives are in power in the other Atlantic Canada provinces. The once-mighty Liberal Party of Quebec is now a rump largely confined to non-francophone ridings. In Ontario, the party finished third in the last two provincial elections. The Liberals’ standing on the Prairies is so weak that one might paraphrase what prime minister John Diefenbaker once said of his Progressive Conservatives in that region: The only laws protecting Liberals are the game laws. In British Columbia, although there is a “Liberal Party” as the Official Opposition, that party is an unwieldy coalition of people who dislike the New Democrats more than they like each other.

Federal-provincial political fidelity, it should be noted, does not always bring harmony. Fierce rows have sometimes defined relations between Liberal premiers and Liberal prime ministers. There has also been a pattern for either party in power in Ottawa to lose ground provincially. Strong provincial partners, however, bring volunteers and money at federal election time.

Provincial Liberal governments can also provide a proving ground for candidates and political staff who land later in Ottawa. At no time was that more evident than when so large a raft of staffers from the former Ontario Liberal government of Dalton McGuinty swarmed into Justin Trudeau’s government that Ottawa might jocularly have been called Toronto-on-the Rideau.

Nor is there much left of a national Liberal Party organization. Today, anybody can join the party, no money or long-term commitment required. Just show up and be counted, then disappear. Long gone, too, are regional ministers with clout and power in cabinet and among the rank-and-file. These posts, a hallmark of many former Liberal cabinets, were scrapped by Justin Trudeau, one example of power centres collapsing in the face of governing by the Prime Minister and his entourage.


A party leader in the Canadian system has always been primus inter pares. When cabinets were smaller (today’s Liberal cabinet is a bloated 39 members), some ministers were serious heavyweights in their regions. They had to at least be noticed by the prime minister, if not always followed. They were stabilizing cogs in the Liberal Party, but they are now gone, replaced by Prime Minister-as-Sun King surrounded by his circle of advisers and, when called upon, pollsters.

This kind of political leadership can work to build and maintain support on one condition: that the prime minister remains reasonably popular in the country. Alas for the Liberals, Mr. Trudeau’s popularity has been sliding, a fate not unknown to prime ministers after a while in office. In the last two elections, he fortunately faced lacklustre, even incompetent, Conservative Party leaders. Time will tell whether Pierre Poilievre performs better, and whether he recognizes there are more available votes toward the middle of the country’s political spectrum, shrunken as it has become, than on the right-wing fringe.

The Liberal vote is due partly to the fracturing of the party system. The separatist Bloc Québécois now seems a fixture in federal politics. The Trudeau Liberals, rather than defending individual rights in Quebec in contrast to the collectivist politics of Premier François Legault, decided not to confront the popular Premier. Abandoning traditional Liberal principles did them no good politically, as they fell well short of their objective of more Quebec seats in the last election.

The Greens, although a flop in the last election (and in internal chaos ever since), retain a small coterie of voters. The People’s Party of Canada grabbed a few votes, but its members seem to be gravitating to the Poilievre Conservatives. So, yes, fracturing has meant some bleeding from two big national parties. But fracturing alone cannot explain the Liberals’ decline, since the Liberal Party at its zenith accommodated and absorbed protest parties.

Many Canadian voters remain somewhere in the broad, fiscally prudent/socially progressive/proud-of-country Canadian mainstream, which is where the Liberals used to be anchored. These are the voters that the great Liberal strategist of the Pierre Trudeau era, Keith Davey, used to call “garden-variety Canadians.”

There are many reasons tied to the day-to-day decisions and crises that chip away at a party’s support, and all parties evolve. They shift positions according to expediency, the challenges of the time, the priorities of the leader. No party in 2022 would run on the same platform as 50 years ago. That today’s Liberal Party is not the same as it was under Pierre Trudeau, let alone his predecessors, is not surprising. But there are traditions and outlooks that go beyond the turmoil of the day that cause swaths of the electorate to see themselves and their interests and regions reflected in a particular party, and so tend to support it election after election.

Justin Trudeau, quite apart from this or that decision, has decoupled the Liberal Party from some of its historical moorings, and is paying the political consequences. These moorings – patriotism and respect for Canada’s past; a balance of fiscal prudence and social priorities; defence of a strong central government; a bridge between English and French speakers – defined the Liberals in a positive way for millions of Canadians.

Liberals always had their critics on the right and the left (and among Quebec nationalists), as is the case today. But the party, more than the others most of the time, anchored its appeal in a strong sense of Canadian pride, spending where appropriate but not excessively, defending Ottawa against provincial demands for more autonomy, and reflecting the country’s linguistic duality.

Those moorings are now rusted or gone, and with their departure has vanished some of the Liberal Party’s historical support, which has not been replaced by new sources. Defenders of today’s Liberals would object to this observation and insist, correctly, that the party has gained female supporters. And why not? A gender-balanced cabinet. Budgets defined by “gender.” A “gender-based” foreign policy. A Prime Minister self-described as a “feminist.” More appointments of women to very senior positions than ever before. Spending programs for female entrepreneurs. A new multibillion-dollar child-care plan. And so on.

Any political analyst knows men and women vote for various reasons, of which gender is only one. Nonetheless, the Justin Trudeau Liberals purposefully set about cultivating female voters, and it would appear they succeeded in driving up their support among women.

Simple arithmetic rather than sophisticated political analysis, however, shows that something else happened. If the Liberals’ share of the female vote is going up while the party’s overall share of the national vote is declining, it must mean the vote among men has fallen faster.

The Angus Reid poll cited above illustrates the point. Forty-six per cent of women over 55 prefer the Liberals, compared with 31 per cent of men in that age category. Only 24 per cent of men 35 to 54 years of age prefer the Liberals; just 15 per cent of men 18 to 34 prefer them.


Approval of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, by gender and age group
Angus Reid poll of 5,014 Canadian adults, Sept. 19-23
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M. 18 - 3462521452
M. 35 - 5452816492
M. 55+82417491
F. 18 - 3444122249
F. 35 - 54103514346
F. 55+163416303

APPROVAL OF PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU, BY GENDER AND AGE GROUP​



The Liberals have a huge problem with male voters, and they have no idea how to fix it. And that is because whereas there is a feminist vocabulary that the Liberals use incessantly, along with female-based policies, there is nothing equivalent for men. At least not overtly. This targeted Liberal approach is part of a “progressive” thinking in which politics (outside Quebec, with its different political culture) goes beyond gender to appeals based on the identity of race, Indigeneity and sexual orientation. The Liberals under Justin Trudeau have been in the vanguard of this narrative, reflecting and abetting trends in the English-Canadian intelligentsia, cultural and educational institutions, museums and galleries, publishing houses and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (but not Radio-Canada).

Sophisticates cringed when Mr. Chrétien used to declare in speeches that “Canada is number one!” The line was so corny, even jingoistic, they said. Audiences did not cringe. That corny cry conveyed two messages: pride and unity. Pride in Canada’s past and confidence in its future. The other, more subliminal meaning of being No. 1 was that for all the country’s differences and diversities, Canadians could be One.

Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Party has turned Mr. Chrétien’s meanings inside out. Mr. Trudeau has apologized more often than any prime minister for more past wrongs while almost never speaking about past accomplishments.

It is entirely appropriate to revisit history and uncover matters once pushed under the rug. It is a salutary exercise for a country to hold up a mirror to its past weaknesses. History is propaganda when it only extols the positive. But history is also propaganda when the mirror of past errors ignores a country’s achievements. When that happens, as it is today, we are no longer talking about a rounded view but about today’s political agendas.

Under today’s Liberals, and for most of the English-Canadian cultural class and institutions, Canada’s past is a sad litany of sins unleavened by triumphs of the human spirit or generosity. Polls – for example, those taken by Angus Reid – show that pride of country has declined among those under 30 years of age, although it remains high among the garden-variety Canadians who do not see that pride in Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Party. The majority of those Canadians are prepared to acknowledge and atone for past sins such as residential schools, but they are not prepared to have their country defined by their Prime Minister and his party as an unbridled legacy of wrongdoing, genocide and racism.


Forgotten by the Trudeau Liberals and the English-Canadian cultural elite, it would seem, is that Canada was formed quite improbably. It brought together in the 1860s French Catholics and English Protestants whose ancestors had been fighting in Europe and North America for a long time. Given that history, Canada unexpectedly became the world’s oldest federation born in peace and unscarred by civil war. The resulting country provided a better life for millions of subsequent arrivals while treating Indigenous peoples poorly.

For decades, the Liberals were the party of Canadian patriotism. From the time of Wilfrid Laurier to Mr. Chrétien, the Liberals wanted to place some distance between Canada and Britain and create Canadian institutions, including a Canadian flag, that were opposed by the Progressive Conservatives of the day. Conservatives clung longer and more tightly to the British connection. The Liberals’ appeal to patriotism didn’t always work, as during the party’s fight against free trade with the United States. More often than not it was the party’s high card. Under Justin Trudeau and the identity politics he plays, it has almost entirely disappeared.

There are two kinds of identity politics, as the American political theorist Francis Fukuyama explains in his recent book, Liberalism and Its Discontents. He writes: “One version sees the drive for identity as the completion of liberal politics. … The goal of this form of identity politics is to win acceptance and equal treatment for marginalized groups as individuals, under the liberal presumption of a shared underlying humanity. … The other version of identity politics sees the lived experience of different groups as fundamentally incommensurate; it denies the possibility of universally valid modes of cognition; and it elevates the value of group experience over what diverse individuals have in common.” Mr. Trudeau has chosen the second definition, and in so doing unmoored his party from its classic position as exponent of broad-tent Canadian patriotism.

Mr. Trudeau has also unmoored his party from its traditions in another important way. Every Liberal cabinet as far back as Mackenzie King’s – and throughout Pierre Trudeau’s and Mr. Chrétien’s time – was like a plane with two wings. One wing was composed of what might be loosely called “spending Liberals,” the other “business Liberals.” These are admittedly imprecise definitions for they suggest that the “spenders” were oblivious to the economy, tax and fiscal policy, and the business climate; and that the “business” Liberals lacked a social conscience. But ministers tended to lean in one direction or another, owing in part to what they did before entering politics.

Thinking back to Pierre Trudeau’s cabinets recalls ministers now likely forgotten but important in their day. There were the “spenders” such as Jean Marchand, Gérard Pelletier, Louis Duclos, Allan J. MacEachen, Bryce Mackasey, John Munro, Monique Bégin and Lloyd Axworthy. And there were the “business” Liberals who had been in the private sector or practised law before entering politics, including Don Jamieson, Edgar Benson, Donald S. Macdonald, Ed Lumley, John Turner, Bud Drury, Bob Winters, Mitchell Sharp and Bob Andras.

Pierre Trudeau, as prime minister, weaved between the factions, especially during the “stagflation” decade of the 1970s, which featured high interest rates, high unemployment and slow growth.

Mr. Chrétien’s cabinet featured the same balance, with spenders offset by business Liberals such as Paul Martin, John Manley, Doug Young, Anne McLellan and Roy MacLaren. Mr. Chrétien himself had a large social conscience but liked to remind listeners that as Treasury Board president earlier in his career he was known as “Dr. No” for turning down spending proposals. His government launched a “program review” that was the most successful postwar effort to cut spending.

Justin Trudeau’s cabinet is quite different. Only two of its 39 ministers worked in largish business companies before entering politics: Innovation Minister François-Phillippe Champagne and Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson.

The other ministers, starting with the Prime Minister himself, are teachers, journalists, lawyers, academics, social workers, public servants, engineers, health care workers, police officers, consultants and career politicians. It could be argued that not one has ever met a payroll, and few have experience in private enterprises.

This tilt reflects the political judgment of the Prime Minister and his advisers, and what kind of Liberal Party they believe will be successful. They deem fiscal prudence, often but not always a hallmark of previous Liberal governments, of limited importance. Prudence was ditched even before the first Trudeau cabinet was sworn into office, when a 2015 campaign commitment to balance the budget within four years disappeared. It was replaced by a new target: debt-to-GDP ratio, a much harder idea for the public to grasp than a budget deficit number. “Guardrails,” a loosey-goosey phrase designed to obscure rather than clarify, became the Liberals’ byword for fiscal management.


No one could blame the Liberals for ramping up spending during the pandemic. Perhaps some money was wasted, but the COVID-19 situation was unprecedented. Decisions had to be made on the fly in the face of medical uncertainty. After the surge in pandemic-related costs, however, the government announced another $30-billion for a new child-care program and then, as part of a deal with the NDP, a new limited drug-coverage plan and dental care for children. Political survival in the form of the Liberal-NDP deal buried any possibility of spending restraint – even in the face of soaring inflation. The announcement that Treasury Board president Mona Fortier would lead a group of civil servants to find $6-billion in “savings” over five years on government operations bordered on a joke. Even if such “savings” were found they would already have been subsumed by new spending.

The Trudeau Liberals no longer offer a balance between social spending and fiscal prudence. The business Liberals are increasingly extinct and the few that remain are big spenders themselves. Today’s party has decided that the path to political success lies in poaching votes from the NDP. This is surely how they will deal with Mr. Poilievre before and during the next campaign. They will portray him as a dangerous ideologue even further from the Canadian middle ground than the Liberals themselves. Liberals have scared moderate New Democrats into voting for them before, and they will try to do so again. And if Mr. Poilievre, a career politician, is as convinced of his own political genius as he seems to be, buoyed by his huge victory in the party leadership race, he might just provide the Liberals with the kind of target they need.

The Poilievre victory combined with the Liberals’ abandonment of their historic moorings leaves Canadian politics more polarized than it has ever been. Keith Davey’s garden-variety Canadians – socially progressive, fiscally cautious and patriotically proud – have been abandoned by both major parties. Maybe, just maybe, the parties reckon that this kind of Canadian voter has so shrunk in number that today’s politics is less about attracting them than polarizing voters around identity and ideology. In which case it would be naive to believe that Canada might not be witnessing the beginning – in some form – of the sharpened political divisions recently seen in parts of Europe and the United States.
 
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