Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[suffolkowner]

Penny foolish, pound foolish...

Trudeau was a poor steward of Canada's economy​

No one knows what ails Canada, but Trudeau didn't try very hard to fix it.​

What seems pretty clear, though, is that Trudeau didn’t try very hard to fix any of Canada’s long-term problems. Even as the problems of low investment, low innovation, and low productivity went from bad to worse, and even as lower oil prices meant that petroleum exports could no longer be a band-aid on Canada’s deeper issues, Trudeau’s administration failed to mount a serious effort to get companies to invest and innovate more, or even to investigate the root causes of the country’s stagnation. It’s not clear whether Trudeau could have fixed what ails Canada, but he didn’t even seem to realize something was amiss.

Instead, he seemed to believe the commentators who declared that total GDP growth was all that matters, bulking up his economy on the cheap carbs of mass low-skilled immigration without producing any underlying strength. Trudeau may not have actively sabotaged the Canadian economy, but he certainly didn’t do much to turn the ship around. Let’s hope Poilievre can be a bit more proactive.

Trudeau was a poor steward of Canada's economy

No one knows what ails Canada, but Trudeau didn't try very hard to fix it.

www.noahpinion.blog

Noah's always a good read

 

[The Bread Guy]

Resources are a provincial jurisdiction.

Yes & no. Provinces "own" the resources (oil, gas & electricity), but Club Fed has a hand in energy imports & exports. That said ....

And when the feds decide to use provincial resources as a bargaining chip, without co-operation of said province, who is responsible for replacing the lost revenue?

BIG time. PP's already said out loud that "support" would be needed to deal with the effects of tariffs, so who's supporting who because of what would become a big, big question - even if the province agreed to cut things off.

Edited to add: Leblanc also mentioned in at least one interview that part of the response plan has to be "support" for those affected. No details on that seen yet.

 

[Good2Golf]

And when the feds decide to use provincial resources as a bargaining chip, without co-operation of said province, who is responsible for replacing the lost revenue? Resources are a provincial jurisdiction.

Seems that some liberals think NEP 2.0 is a winning strategy…

 

[suffolkowner]

Yes & no. Provinces "own" the resources (oil, gas & electricity), but Club Fed has a hand in energy imports & exports. That said ....

BIG time. PP's already said out loud that "support" would be needed to deal with the effects of tariffs, so who's supporting who because of what would become a big, big question - even if the province agreed to cut things off.

and what support am i going to get when my business is decimated by tariffs?

 

[The Bread Guy]

and what support am i going to get when my business is decimated by tariffs?

That's something PP's hinted at & Romeo Leblanc has mentioned in at least one public interview. And both businesses and individuals'll be screaming for help if the impact is hard enough.

One hopes this sort of thing is being sorted out in some detail by current management (checks notes) about a week before possible implementation.

We'll have to see what unfolds depending on what's unleashed northward.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Ford already walked back his hydro-embargo comments ...

This just in: not as much as one might think.

'You just don't roll over:' Doug Ford refuses to take energy threat off table as he pitches closer mineral relationship with U.S.

Premier Doug Ford is proposing a closer relationship with the U.S. when it comes to critical minerals while at the same time boasting that the province won’t 'roll over' should president-elect Donald Trump follow through on his threatened tariffs upon taking office next week.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

Smith opposes blocking energy exports to U.S. but Ford wants to keep option open

EDMONTON — Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, fresh off a weekend visit with U.S. president-elect Donald Trump, cautioned Ottawa against blocking energy exports to the U.S.

www.thealbertan.com

From the CTV piece:

... The alliance is the latest in a series of announcement geared towards strengthening the U.S.-Ontario trade relationship as part of Ford’s “Fortress Am-Can” pitch.

But the premier told reporters on Monday that he isn’t taking retaliatory actions off the table and has a “list” of measures prepared should Trump impose a 25 per cent tariff on Canadian goods as promised.

Ford has previously suggested that Ontario could cut off the electricity it supplies to approximately 1.5 million homes in New York, Michigan and Minnesota in response to tariffs.

“When our country is under attack economically, when our province is under attack economically you just don’t roll over,” Ford said when asked specifically about the energy threat.

“Maybe I come from a different school but I believe in negotiating through strength not weakness.” ...

Looks like he may have been answering questions about this announcement:
"Ontario Building Fortress Am-Can by Accelerating Strategic Resource Development"

 

[dapaterson]

It doesn’t, so let’s say you’re right, electricity is in there too (although Ford already walked back his hydro-embargo comments, but let’s play that the Feds tell Ford to pound sand and hydro is cut) so the Feds figure a potion of ON/QB $4.6B of combined hydro export will have just as much effect on Trump’s 25% tariff plan as $146B or oil and gas exports from AB? Put another way, ON/QB hydro exports are 3% of AB’s oil/gas exports, so….97% of “Canada’s” energy export restrictions will be AB oil/gas.

But QC/ON electricity go to NY state, including NYC, so it's more of a middle finger to POTUS elect if Trump Tower has to start running on generators or has intermittent load shedding.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Circling back to the leadership race, good plan, this.

Intelligence task force to monitor Liberal leadership race

OTTAWA - The Liberal party's leadership race will be monitored by Canada's elections intelligence task force for signs of foreign interference.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

 

[Good2Golf]

Circling back to the leadership race, good plan, this.

Intelligence task force to monitor Liberal leadership race

OTTAWA - The Liberal party's leadership race will be monitored by Canada's elections intelligence task force for signs of foreign interference.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

Interesting assessment that places lessened likelihood of foreign interference in the LPC leadership not on anything the Liberals have yet to do, but rather that the Chinese potential foreign interfering agents can’t figure out who would be the best replacement Manchurian candidate after Trudeau….

Wark agreed the threat of interference in the Liberal race is low but "not because the Liberal party has yet shown that they're going to take any steps to really raise the level of security around the leadership contest."

"But the real reason I say that the risk is low is that I frankly cannot see that any of the usual bad actors in the foreign interference space would be able to identify a particular Liberal leadership candidate who would be more favourable to their position than another," he said.

It also is reasonable to expect that other governments on the North American continent will be using means at their disposal to monitor sources of interference.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Any bets on when/ if trudeau is going to name the foreign interference names? You'd think with the timeline to election being what it is, it should be soon.

I suppose it'll depend which party is most affected by bad publicity. If it were the Conservatives, I'm sure it wouldn't be long. If the liberals, it won't see the light of day.

No matter the arguments, excuses or names, sending voters to the polls without naming names first, is in of itself, election interference. People are entitled to know who they are voting for, especially their background.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Any bets on when/ if trudeau is going to name the foreign interference names? You'd think with the timeline to election being what it is, it should be soon.

I suppose it'll depend which party is most affected by bad publicity. If it were the Conservatives, I'm sure it wouldn't be long. If the liberals, it won't see the light of day.

No matter the arguments, excuses or names, sending voters to the polls without naming names first, is in of itself, election interference. People are entitled to know who they are voting for, especially their background.

I have a hard time believing that if the foreign influence scandal was going be damaging to the CPC JT would be quiet about it. He doesn't strike me as having that kind of emotional maturity.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe this this is the golden ticket for sinking the CPC. And hey if the CPC is rotten to the core with foreign influence they deserve to be sent to the curb too.

 

[brihard]

I have a hard time believing that if the foreign influence scandal was going be damaging to the CPC JT would be quiet about it. He doesn't strike me as having that kind of emotional maturity.

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe this this is the golden ticket for sinking the CPC. And hey if the CPC is rotten to the core with foreign influence they deserve to be sent to the curb too.

Anything released publicly on foreign interference will necessarily probably be pretty light on granular details. Why anyone expects this to be different from public reporting on any other major intelligence assessment is beyond me.

 

[suffolkowner]

Anything released publicly on foreign interference will necessarily probably be pretty light on granular details. Why anyone expects this to be different from public reporting on any other major intelligence assessment is beyond me.

still i find it unnerving to think that i may be voting for someone compromised by a foreign entity and that "we" know about it but are unable to use that to determine our vote. How many members or candidates does it need to be before it is significant enough?

 

[Halifax Tar]

still i find it unnerving to think that i may be voting for someone compromised by a foreign entity and that "we" know about it but are unable to use that to determine our vote. How many members or candidates does it need to be before it is significant enough?

I firmly agree with you and the names should be released.

 

[Good2Golf]

Any bets on when/ if trudeau is going to name the foreign interference names? You'd think with the timeline to election being what it is, it should be soon.

We’ll likely only hear about anything directly from Trudeau (if ever) from his friend’s hangout on Bell Island in the Bahamas after the LPC election and he hands over to the new PM…

 

[The Bread Guy]

We’ll likely only hear about anything directly from Trudeau (if ever) from his friend’s hangout on Bell Island in the Bahamas after the LPC election and he hands over to the new PM…

Hey, hey, hey, what are you insinuating about a non-partisan honourary citizen of Canada just wanting some decent beachfront property he can share with friends?

It also is reasonable to expect that other governments on the North American continent will be using means at their disposal to monitor sources of interference.

Not just North American governments ....

 

[Cloud Cover]

It doesn’t, so let’s say you’re right, electricity is in there too (although Ford already walked back his hydro-embargo comments, but let’s play that the Feds tell Ford to pound sand and hydro is cut) so the Feds figure a potion of ON/QB $4.6B of combined hydro export will have just as much effect on Trump’s 25% tariff plan as $146B or oil and gas exports from AB? Put another way, ON/QB hydro exports are 3% of AB’s oil/gas exports, so….97% of “Canada’s” energy export restrictions will be AB oil/gas.

As I understand it, there is no physical way for the Federal Government to actually shut off the oil or electricity, unless they plan on using force against Canadians because they want to hurt Donald Trump. The folks manning the transfer and switching infrastructure certainly won’t do anything until their employer instructs them. That would be the province …

 

[YZT580]

Yes & no. Provinces "own" the resources (oil, gas & electricity), but Club Fed has a hand in energy imports & exports. That said ....

BIG time. PP's already said out loud that "support" would be needed to deal with the effects of tariffs, so who's supporting who because of what would become a big, big question - even if the province agreed to cut things off.

Edited to add: Leblanc also mentioned in at least one interview that part of the response plan has to be "support" for those affected. No details on that seen yet.

so does that put our deficit up to 80 billion for next year?

 

[suffolkowner]

As I understand it, there is no physical way for the Federal Government to actually shut off the oil or electricity, unless they plan on using force against Canadians because they want to hurt Donald Trump. The folks manning the transfer and switching infrastructure certainly won’t do anything until their employer instructs them. That would be the province …

electricity would be hard i think considering how reliant we are on being able to move it across the grid. Would probably black out half the continent

 

[daftandbarmy]

Own goal...

Kirk LaPointe: Christy Clark's Liberal leadership bid faceplants on a fact check​

Former B.C. premier's eye-popping response to questions over Conservative past may sink her federal ambitions

Of the things about which I am confident, I can safely state that my weekend and yours was a lot better than Christy Clark’s.

Now, as she awoke Friday, the former B.C. premier’s world had every opportunity to be her oyster. She had convened a national call of 135 believers earlier in the week and was making the late-stage, toe-in-the-water ritual interviews to hum and haw a bit and say, well, I’m thinking about running for the national Liberal party leadership that would, shucks, make me prime minister – if only for a cup of coffee, then as opposition leader.

She would be situated logically as the longest serving female first minister in the top tier of candidates to succeed Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, alongside the former deputy prime minister and finance minister, Chrystia Freeland, who had been for ages his elected right-hand until she used the left hand to knife him, and Mark Carney, former governor of the Bank of Canada and Bank of England – and supposed outsider who nonetheless has seemingly all of Trudeau’s unelected right hands as his aides.

But Friday did not go according to script for Clark, and no one – not the 135 on the call, certainly not me waiting to watch her campaign – expected inarguably the largest mistake in a career of generally shrewd navigation of political trouble.

It was an own goal, as they say in soccer, and an entirely, completely, emphatically, absolutely, utterly, certainly, positively, definitively, undoubtedly, unquestionably, indubitably preventable error.

Kirk LaPointe: Christy Clark's Liberal leadership bid faceplants on a fact check

Former B.C. premier's eye-popping response to questions over Conservative past may sink her federal ambitions

www.biv.com