Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[ModlrMike]

The first two polls following the PM's resignation are out, and the Torries are holding strong. Nanos and Leger polls (both rated A+) have:

Nanos (12 Jan) LPC 21 CPC 47 NDP 17 GPC 4 BQ 8 PPC 2
Leger (10 Jan) LPC 20 CPC 47 NDP 18 GPC 5 BQ 8 PPC 2

It will be interesting to see how the electorate responds. The race includes Jaime Battiste, Frank Baylis, Chandra Arya, with Chrystia Freeland, Mark Carney, Karina Gould, and Jonathan Wilkinson still a maybe. Five currently have seats in the HoC: Battiste, Arya, Gould, Wilkinson, and Freeland, where Carney and Baylis do not. If either of the last two get the nod, then either a by election will have to take place, or they fight it out in the predicted general election.

Problems for the Liberals:
Arya doesn't speak french;
Battiste has previously posted allegedly racist and and sexist comments to social media;
Baylis is the lead opponent of Bill 21 in Quebec that bans religious symbol wearing by public servants. The measure is very popular in QC, which may be a liability for him - the Liberals need to take QC to win where the CPC do not;
Freeland is annoying as stink, and would probably be seen as too close to Trudeau;
Carney is unknown to most of the electorate - staunch supporter of carbon tax;
Wilkinson doesn't speak french, staunch supporter of carbon tax;
Gould - dark horse, tied to the Yaroslav Hunka event, french skills unknown.

 

[Good2Golf]

Problems for the Liberals:
Arya doesn't speak french;
Battiste has previously posted allegedly racist and and sexist comments to social media;
Baylis is the lead opponent of Bill 21 in Quebec that bans religious symbol wearing by public servants. The measure is very popular in QC, which may be a liability for him - the Liberals need to take QC to win where the CPC do not;
Freeland is annoying as stink, and would probably be seen as too close to Trudeau;
Carney is unknown to most of the electorate - staunch supporter of carbon tax;
Wilkinson doesn't speak french, staunch supporter of carbon tax;
Gould - dark horse, tied to the Yaroslav Hunka event, french skills unknown.

Maybe they’d be better off with….


…Trudeau?

 

[RangerRay]

I could see it…

 

[Furniture]

I would argue that the angle he would use (and he already said it in the Jon Stewart interview) is that he is running as an outsider, with no historical ties to politics.

So outside that he was appointed the special advisor to the LPC on finances this past fall... You know, just before they blew past their self imposed $40 billion deficit ceiling.

So "outside" he was the governor of two G7 national banks...

I believe he's an "outsider" based on his self declaration as much as I believe Bill Clinton "did not have sexual relations with that woman"...

 

[CBH99]

OH! Pierre clubbed Carney.

Got Carney to admit

Whelp, so much for those 'sunny ways'...

With clock ticking, future of Liberals' dental and pharmacare programs uncertain​

Majority of dental plan still not in place, no deals reached for drug coverage​

Two-thirds of the Canadians set to be covered under the new national dental insurance program are still not eligible. The federal government has also yet to sign a single deal with provinces and territories enabling Ottawa to pay for contraceptive and diabetes medications.

"Nothing is guaranteed. We're in a volatile circumstance," federal Health Minister Mark Holland acknowledged last week.

"I will be relentless in making sure that we finish," he said. "I don't think we need a lot of time to do it. We need a little bit more."

But time is running out for Holland to see the two programs through, with the three major opposition parties vowing to bring down the Liberal government with a confidence vote as early as March, triggering a federal election.

That includes the NDP — who pushed the government to bring in both programs — but now says the Liberals' time is up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/future-of-dental-pharmacare-expansion-liberal-government-1.7430667

Sounds like a snails pace at implementing this program, especially if the government hasn't signed any agreements with the provinces OR drug companies yet.

Sounds like you'll need a bit more time than you think you will, Mr. Holland...

 

[dimsum]

https://archive.is/zVwwu

Pretty controversial headline in the G&M from a few days ago…

 

[Good2Golf]

https://archive.is/zVwwu

Pretty controversial headline in the G&M from a few days ago…

Conveniently forgot to mention a de facto downplaying of foreign interference, but ‘other than that’, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

 

[IKnowNothing]

https://archive.is/zVwwu

Pretty controversial headline in the G&M from a few days ago…

A strong underlying premise- the challenges to Canadian voters relating to inter provincial trade and housing, completely undermined by trying to use it to defend JT. The article raises discussions that need to be had, but the headline and slant are a barrier to those conversations- see below:

Conveniently forgot to mention a de facto downplaying of foreign interference, but ‘other than that’, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Not to mention trying to give driveby credit to JT for Canadian's net worth gains without mentioning that it is by and large due to paper equity gains in principal residences.

 

[The Bread Guy]

https://archive.is/zVwwu

Pretty controversial headline in the G&M from a few days ago…

That's an interesting take, and ironic given Team Red's coach being seen as the only thing that doesn't seem to be a problem.

Also funny how different sides either love or hate the same great big pool of voters, depending on how they're leaning. The "idiots" of one round become the "the people have spoken" of the next.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

https://archive.is/zVwwu

Pretty controversial headline in the G&M from a few days ago…

Doesn't matter if these were systemic problems from years past.

Doesn't matter if these were inherited problems from previous governments.

Doesn't matter if the global situation fell apart around you.

JT had a mandate from the Canadian people. He was given the full power of government to do something substantial to address the issues that affect them day to day. He had 9 years of that mandate. He fucked it up and continued to fuck it up spectacularly without listening to reason or dissenting opinion.

If it were Poilievre, Harper, Singh, Trump, or Putin, I'd be saying the same thing: you wear the consequences for your (in)actions while you are Skipper.

 

[Good2Golf]

Speaking of leadership…or lack thereof - The Big Cod makes a fair point of how Trudeau could (should) be remembered:

Rick Hillier: Justin Trudeau abandons Canada in its hour of need

We as a nation are left leaderless and the Trump administration can divide and conquer as it pleases

nationalpost.com

In our darkest hour Trudeau has likewise abandoned Canadians. We as a nation are left leaderless and the Trump administration can divide and conquer as it pleases. Provincial premiers like Ontario’s Doug Ford and Alberta’s Danielle Smith are left to pick up the pieces.

Justin Trudeau will go down in history simply for being our prime minister for a decade. He will be remembered always for the narcissism and egotism that will have seen his nation, and the 41 million Canadians who inhabit it, abandoned for personal ambition. This is not, as Churchill once intoned, his finest hour.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Also funny how different sides either love or hate the same great big pool of voters, depending on how they're leaning. The "idiots" of one round become the "the people have spoken" of the next.

Like Trump saying America First is racist and Kinsella saying Canada First is patriotic.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Like Trump saying America First is racist and Kinsella saying Canada First is patriotic.

Sometimes almost that flip-floppy, yeah.

 

[Rifleman62]

So outside that he was appointed the special advisor to the LPC on finances this past fall... You know, just before they blew past their self imposed $40 billion deficit ceiling.

Add the fact that the PMO and Butts are running Carney's campaign.

Reported on CBC 2 hours ago:

"Mark Carney will launch his candidacy for the Liberal Party leadership at an event in Edmonton on Thursday, according to a notice from Calgary Skyview MP George Chahal".

 

[OldSolduer]

Like Trump saying America First is racist and Kinsella saying Canada First is patriotic.

Which is funny because America and Canada are both diverse societies.

It does make you wonder