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God I hope it doesn't get violent. The people of Iran don't deserve the violence that would spill forth. Their government sucks and man do I wish the Ayatollahs would fuck right off but the people themselves are wonderful and a lot closer in sensibilities to us than the Gulf State residents ever will be. I hope one day they can be free.
 
God I hope it doesn't get violent. The people of Iran don't deserve the violence that would spill forth. Their government sucks and man do I wish the Ayatollahs would fuck right off but the people themselves are wonderful and a lot closer in sensibilities to us than the Gulf State residents ever will be. I hope one day they can be free.
The next time someone quotes one of the NeverTrump neo-cons, spare a thought that if it were up to them, the wonderful Iranian people will get as much consideration as the wonderful Iraqi people did, should the Iranian government fart in church.
 
The next time someone quotes one of the NeverTrump neo-cons, spare a thought that if it were up to them, the wonderful Iranian people will get as much consideration as the wonderful Iraqi people did, should the Iranian government fart in church.
It appears lately the Trump neo-cons are in lock step in thay regard.
 
Oh boy.




And in L.A...

Troops in Los Angeles can detain but not arrest individuals, military official says
 
Oh boy.




And in L.A...

Troops in Los Angeles can detain but not arrest individuals, military official says
@KevinB - I know enough to know that ‘detain’ versus ‘arrest’ can be pretty different down there compared to here. Can you clarify the significance of this if you have the time?
 
Just going to drop this OG Battlestar Galactica quote that seems apropos:

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people. - Commander Adama
 
@KevinB - I know enough to know that ‘detain’ versus ‘arrest’ can be pretty different down there compared to here. Can you clarify the significance of this if you have the time?
So certain jurisdictions allow LEO’s to temporarily detain people.
I’ve placed people in handcuffs and detained them for various reasons, that hasn’t always resulted in an arrest.

Generally one can detain for identification, and/or officer safety (number of unknowns).

I’ve done Ride Alongs and some Fed TF stuff in CA, but I don’t know enough about CA law to say whether or not Non LEO’s can operate this way.

However I’ve never heard of non LEO’s detaining anyone. Generally one needs reasonable suspicion to detain someone. Though what is RS can vary in certain jurisdictions or locations…


But if this is in regards to Federal Lands/Property, then all everyone on Federal property is subject to search and seizure, as well as detention.
 
So certain jurisdictions allow LEO’s to temporarily detain people.
I’ve placed people in handcuffs and detained them for various reasons, that hasn’t always resulted in an arrest.

Generally one can detain for identification, and/or officer safety (number of unknowns).

I’ve done Ride Alongs and some Fed TF stuff in CA, but I don’t know enough about CA law to say whether or not Non LEO’s can operate this way.

However I’ve never heard of non LEO’s detaining anyone. Generally one needs reasonable suspicion to detain someone. Though what is RS can vary in certain jurisdictions or locations…


But if this is in regards to Federal Lands/Property, then all everyone on Federal property is subject to search and seizure, as well as detention.
Ok. I’ve come to understand that in some jurisdiction there’s “no takebacksies” once police tell someone they’re ‘arrested’. Here we can arrest someone if we have grounds, but freely release them if the situation changes; if I understand right, in some parts of the U.S. once someone is under arrest, there’s a lot more obligatory process that precludes release, so ‘detention’ is used much more in situations that would be an arrest here.
 
Ok. I’ve come to understand that in some jurisdiction there’s “no takebacksies” once police tell someone they’re ‘arrested’. Here we can arrest someone if we have grounds, but freely release them if the situation changes; if I understand right, in some parts of the U.S. once someone is under arrest, there’s a lot more obligatory process that precludes release, so ‘detention’ is used much more in situations that would be an arrest here.
I don’t have to Miranda anyone being detained...
So sometimes people talk themselves into arrest - but one is supposed to stop them, and Miranda them when that occurs.

I suspect that the ‘no takebacksies’ is a DA or PD/SO issue on arrest, simply to stop complaints about false arrest etc. Nothing in any state I’ve seen would preclude an arresting officer from stopping and releasing the person in custody without charges should they have the option (some offenses one can’t just give warnings for…)

I mean who hasn’t SuperTroopered some stoners…
 
Perhaps it comes down to how one applies the definition of arrest, ie: to stop. One coul argue that there does not necessarily need to be sufficient grounds to lay a charge in order to arrest (to stop). In the US, there seems to be more nuance between being detained (no charge) and being arrested (charges).
 
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Just going to drop this OG Battlestar Galactica quote that seems apropos:
What happens when the people who want immigration law enforced and the people who do not are in direct opposition and a choice is required, there being no middle ground? (It is not possible to simultaneously enforce and not enforce a law.) Are those who favour enforcement more or less legitimately "the people" than those who do not; are those opposed to enforcement to the point of obstruction not already some kind of enemies of the state? Obstruction - rebellion - insurrection is a spectrum, but it's one spectrum of action against the state. The point of civil disobedience is that it's deliberately unlawful, and has consequences.
 
It doesn't matter which side you're on. There should be no argument that the current approach of masked, armed men rounding people up, whisking them off to detention camps and then dumping them in out of country prisons, all without the application of due process is not the way things are done in a democracy that touts freedom as its highest value.
 
Oh boy.




And in L.A...

Troops in Los Angeles can detain but not arrest individuals, military official says
I wonder if there will be a big 'dear leader' type portrait at the upcoming big beautiful parade.
 
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