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Trump administration 2024-2028

Yes when you have to pay workers all the legal benefits or pay into workers comp/tax/benefits plans, costs go up. Daycare and cleaning services will also become more expensive.
No such thing as a free lunch. All exploitative immigration schemes need to be shuttered, but humanely. That goes for irregular migration in the US or TFWs here. Noone wins with these schemes.
 
Is nothing that is going on a legitimate warning bell that something wrong is going on? Lots of handwaving on your part frankly.
DOJ just days ago published a memo to the effect that they will prioritize revoking citizenship (‘denaturalization’) for criminality and misrepresentation. They will also be moving to carry this out via civil proceedings versus criminal, which is a change in how they do this. ThereMs some loose phraseology, however, that leaves open the door to the possibility that they will soon look to further expand situations in which denaturalization shall be sought.


Now, to note, denaturalization for material misrepresentation in the citizenship process is not new nor is it wrong. If citizenship is not gained honestly, then yeah, revoke it. Viewed in the larger whole though, any increase in government efforts to revoke citizenship needs to be watched closely in case they move to change the legal criteria.
 
DOJ just days ago published a memo to the effect that they will prioritize revoking citizenship (‘denaturalization’) for criminality and misrepresentation. They will also be moving to carry this out via civil proceedings versus criminal, which is a change in how they do this. ThereMs some loose phraseology, however, that leaves open the door to the possibility that they will soon look to further expand situations in which denaturalization shall be sought.


Now, to note, denaturalization for material misrepresentation in the citizenship process is not new nor is it wrong. If citizenship is not gained honestly, then yeah, revoke it. Viewed in the larger whole though, any increase in government efforts to revoke citizenship needs to be watched closely in case they move to change the legal criteria.
I read they'll probably try to invoke the "moral character" aspect of denaturalization pretty loosely. Tough to quantify, easy to abuse if the courts aren't watching like a hawk.
 
Is nothing that is going on a legitimate warning bell that something wrong is going on? Lots of handwaving on your part frankly.
Something wrong is surely going on, but it's not incipient fascism. There are at least four big political struggles going on in the US right now: extreme left progressives vs moderates in the Democratic party (extreme left is still ascendant), neo-cons vs Trump in the Republican party (neo-cons have faded to insignificance), Democrats vs Republicans, establishment vs populists. Republican populists currently have the most control, so they are under attack by Democrats (whether extreme or moderate), neo-cons, and anyone who was vested in the pre-Trump establishment status quo for how politics and power worked in the US.

It would help a lot if people could recognize mere populism without trying so hard to attach it to fascism.
 
And costs will inevitably rise...
Fucking shame that people might have to be paid more. The proper living wage is somewhere above statutory minimum and below what the gentry want to pay their landscapers, nannies, and crop pickers. Doesn't everyone know that?
 
What do you consider extreme-left policies being pushed in the USA?

Do you not consider any of what's happening to be overreach? Deportation to foreign countries, snatch and grabs in unmarked vans by unmarked cops on the streets, inflammatory rhetoric, threats of political arrest, etc?
 
Fucking shame that people might have to be paid more. The proper living wage is somewhere above statutory minimum and below what the gentry want to pay their landscapers, nannies, and crop pickers. Doesn't everyone know that?

Which, paradoxically, can kill the jobs meant for the people it intends to help because businesses don't work for government ;)

 
It would help a lot if people could recognize mere populism without trying so hard to attach it to fascism.
It would also help if "populist" leaders didn't act like absolute autocrats whose ever musing and rage storm are considered to be legitimate populist policies.

If we take the label fascist out of the discussion, is everything still okay with this brand of populism?
 
What do you consider extreme-left policies being pushed in the USA?
Boys in girls sports. Lax border controls and lenient welfare for people in the country illegally. Weak to no enforcement of some categories of crimes. Proposals to stack the USSC. Weakening of the 1A.
Do you not consider any of what's happening to be overreach? Deportation to foreign countries, snatch and grabs in unmarked vans by unmarked cops on the streets, inflammatory rhetoric, threats of political arrest, etc?
Sure. These things are simultaneously true:
1. Those things are wrong.
2. Some of the people complaining about the current examples were silent or supportive when different administrations were doing similar things. Their position was and is approximately "laws for thee, but not for me".
3. Tit-for-tat is a viable and recommended strategy for correcting defective behaviour. Turn-the-cheek has been tried and failed.

Everything going on is about politics and the gaining and exercise of political power. It's not a moral or ethical debate; "two wrongs don't make a right" doesn't apply. As severe as circumstances are, this is what it took to initiate change. That reflects back on the people who failed to do the right things when they were asked nicely. People behaving badly for short-term political gains created this situation.

A humane practical productive solution for the immigration fight would be immediate widespread amnesty. That's impractical without some kind of mechanism to wipe out whatever Democrats think they gained or might hope to gain by lax enforcement. If Democrats can't be trusted to not repeat what they've been doing, an alternate solution is to empty out most of the illegals they tried to allow in so that they'll be starting from scratch, so that the cycle will be understood not to be "mass-migration-and-mass-amnesty", but "migration-and-mass-deportation".

On "threats of political arrests", it was and is a mistake for some Democrats to boast they would or will get Trump. Keep that in mind the next time someone talks about finding a way to go after Trump in the courts or with impeachment without first having some offence in mind.
 
It would also help if "populist" leaders didn't act like absolute autocrats whose ever musing and rage storm are considered to be legitimate populist policies.

If we take the label fascist out of the discussion, is everything still okay with this brand of populism?
Also, I reject that Trump is a populist. There is nothing remotely populare about increasing prices by initiating a global trade war with tarrifs, putting secret immigration police or the military out on the streets or cutting billionaires a cheque at the expense of the working class and their benefits.

He hasn't even satisfied the ancient concept of panem et circenses style populism, nevermind anything remotely populist in the modern sense.
 
It would also help if "populist" leaders didn't act like absolute autocrats whose ever musing and rage storm are considered to be legitimate populist policies.

If we take the label fascist out of the discussion, is everything still okay with this brand of populism?
Define "okay". Mainstream Republican and Democrat government in the US includes renditions, detention away from US courts, drone assassinations, regime change, war-making without Congressional authorization. Using purely utilitarian measures, are more people in the world better off with Trump in charge?
 
Also, I reject that Trump is a populist. There is nothing remotely populare about increasing prices by initiating a global trade war with tarrifs, putting secret immigration police or the military out on the streets or cutting billionaires a cheque at the expense of the working class and their benefits.

He hasn't even satisfied the ancient concept of panem et circenses style populism, nevermind anything remotely populist in the modern sense.
Why so strict? A few days ago a parade (a kind of circus) was good enough to be evidence of fascism.
 
Define "okay". Mainstream Republican and Democrat government in the US includes renditions, detention away from US courts, drone assassinations, regime change, war-making without Congressional authorization.
All of which are vile, but not an excusefor acting vile.
Using purely utilitarian measures, are more people in the world better off with Trump in charge?
No.
 
Using purely utilitarian measures, are more people in the world better off with Trump in charge?
Just in the global economy, the answer is a definitive no.

Additionally, Ukrainians are not better off as Trump turns a blind eye to Putin, Gazans are not better off by trump ignoring / condoning Netanyahu's actions over the last 15 days.

"people in the world" are of little to no interest to Trump - indeed neither are any Americans who are not MAGAcolytes.

Trump has deliberately turned the US' back on the world, and no longer acknowledges any responsibility to the global common.
 
Just in the global economy, the answer is a definitive no.

Additionally, Ukrainians are not better off as Trump turns a blind eye to Putin, Gazans are not better off by trump ignoring / condoning Netanyahu's actions over the last 15 days.

"people in the world" are of little to no interest to Trump - indeed neither are any Americans who are not MAGAcolytes.

Trump has deliberately turned the US' back on the world, and no longer acknowledges any responsibility to the global common.
I would add the demise of USAID to that as well. A lot of people will be worse off, unless China or Russia steps in. Yay?

Also, with the upcoming cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, VA, SNAP, etc., there are a lot of MAGAcolytes that Trump has little interest in.
 
It's hard to measure, isn't it. He hasn't turned a country (Iraq, Libya) into a shithole at the cost of tens of thousands of lives, and most of the things being proposed as "costs" are not direct responsibilities of the US.
 
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